Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by jhopgood » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:15 pm

J.R. wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:43 am
Definitely not the same 'Hewitt'.

R. Hewitt's subject was English, both Lit. and Lang. I believed he played rugby for The Harlequins. As far as I'm aware, he wasn't at CH for any great length of time
If he is the person I am thinking of, then he also tried to teach some of us Russian. After "A' levels. I think.
I have probably mentioned it before, but he was always late for the class, which took place after the morning break in Pop Massen's classroom at the end of the Maths block.
One day at about 11.05, we gave up on him and one by one, went downstairs and back to house via the quarter mile.
As I left, I noticed him standing under the arch, watching us all leave.
The next week, he arrived before 11.00, (the class started at 10.55), but nothing was said at all.
CH seemed to give introduction course like that. I seem to remember J C Todd trying to teach us modern Greek.
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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by michael scuffil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:41 pm

jhopgood wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:15 pm
J.R. wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:43 am
Definitely not the same 'Hewitt'.

R. Hewitt's subject was English, both Lit. and Lang. I believed he played rugby for The Harlequins. As far as I'm aware, he wasn't at CH for any great length of time
If he is the person I am thinking of, then he also tried to teach some of us Russian. After "A' levels. I think.
I have probably mentioned it before, but he was always late for the class, which took place after the morning break in Pop Massen's classroom at the end of the Maths block.
One day at about 11.05, we gave up on him and one by one, went downstairs and back to house via the quarter mile.
As I left, I noticed him standing under the arch, watching us all leave.
The next week, he arrived before 11.00, (the class started at 10.55), but nothing was said at all.
CH seemed to give introduction course like that. I seem to remember J C Todd trying to teach us modern Greek.
Surely RA Hewitt didn't teach Russian? And also, RAH was almost pedantically punctual. I suspect you may be thinking of Biddick, a lazy freeloader if ever there was one, who did teach Russian, and was eventually eased out.

Hewitt also taught history (in fact he mainly taught history). His lessons consisted of dictated notes. Punctiliously prepared, but stiflingly dull.
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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by michael scuffil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:56 pm

Corporal punishment at CH was a form of sexual gratification and had very little to do with chastisement. It was a prime source of aggressive sexual satisfaction and it is directly linked to the culture of sexual abuse that occurred and the issues with the school not just in my time but for some 32 years and which I am now able to confirm, occurred for at least 40 years and continued to 2014.

If you think the two issues of Corporal Punishment and Sexual Abuse are different then think again.


As you will gather from reading this thread and others, I agree with you *almost* entirely. I would amend the first line above to change 'very little' to 'in many cases not very much'. Corporal punishment was the norm in the country at the time (including at my council primary school, where it was far more frequent than at CH), and I think some teachers thought they had to administer it on grounds of solidarity, or because they genuinely thought it was salutary. For example 'Killer' Fry, an altogether decent man, got his nickname because he thrashed three boys for giggling during house prayers. I am sure he sought no gratification. I don't think John Page did either. And I'm sure this applies to others, too (including Seaman).
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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by robert totterdell » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:45 pm

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Corporal punishment was simply the Chastisement of the time, this according to what Guy Perricone wrote to me. It was nothing of the sort. For many it was direct physical abuse for gratification, being sexual or sadistic, and became very influential in the recipients 'worldview' for that individual's life.

Churchill was beaten daily at Harrow because his Headmaster didn't like the views of his father Randolph who was in Parliament. Many say that is what made Winston so strong but some say that is also why he ignored the plight of many Slavs who were forced to go back to Stalin's Russia at the end of the 2nd War and who he knew would be executed as they were.

Remember that caning had prior to my time been allowed across the hands. This is vastly more painful than the buttocks and was used on the persons writing hand (i.e., if they were right, handed then that hand and the reverse if they were left-handed) thus making it difficult for them to perform basic written tasks which would lead to further punishment - this from both male and female teachers - the Catholic convents were famous for it.

The problem that I have is that in my time at the school the two areas seem to be directly linked - corporal punishment and sexual abuse and I will add a third which was bullying.

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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by sejintenej » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:06 pm

robert totterdell wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:45 pm

The problem that I have is that in my time at the school the two areas seem to be directly linked - corporal punishment and sexual abuse and I will add a third which was bullying.
I think, Rob, that that is a bit generalised. I got put in the sicker when a bully decided that my face should be twice it's normal size I suspect they actually doubled that - I ended up blind from the swelling and I also lost teeth. I didn't and don't see anything sexual about it and corporal punishment is something different.
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I do have one scar from the encounter but I went out of my way later to learn how to protect myself.

The bully ended up as a professor in a university in a foreign country - I hope he feels nervous that I have not forgotten him.
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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by jhopgood » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:38 pm

michael scuffil wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:41 pm
Surely RA Hewitt didn't teach Russian? And also, RAH was almost pedantically punctual. I suspect you may be thinking of Biddick, a lazy freeloader if ever there was one, who did teach Russian, and was eventually eased out.

Hewitt also taught history (in fact he mainly taught history). His lessons consisted of dictated notes. Punctiliously prepared, but stiflingly dull.
Correct.

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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by LongGone » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:55 pm

A recent study has looked at rates of violent behaviour by adolescents in those countries that have banned corporal punishment of students vs those that haven't. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/8/9/e02 ... gn=trendmd
The results are pretty dramatic: male student violence is 69% lower in countries that have banned corporal punishment. As usual, it is impossible to know if it a direct relationship, or reflects an overall cultural change in those countries.
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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by CodFlabAndMuck » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:06 pm

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Do people remember this initiation for squits?

A bit off thread as not CP per se, although is banned now, as are all initiations.

Everyone would go down to Shelleys Wood and the objective was to hunt down the squits, bring them to the pond and throw them in.

You would end up dripping in mud from head to toe.

I found it fun and pretty harmless and it was just accepted as one of the many CH traditions.

Others may have found it stressful and intimidating, particularly those struggling to adjust to being away from home, but I don't know.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Corporal Punishment by CH Teaching staff

Post by J.R. » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:21 pm

New one to me.

I do remember being told in my first week in Prep B that all squirts would have to have two teeth taken out by the school dentist.
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