Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

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Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

Post by michael scuffil » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:11 pm

The CHOBA newsletter for December drew attention to the proposals contained here:

https://citizensmemorial.files.wordpres ... morial.pdf

Certainly anyone with an interest in CH should also be interested in this plan. Christ Church Newgate St is the only surviving physical link with the old CH, of which it was in effect the chapel, and is the only publicly accessible place you can go and say with certainty 'Coleridge (e.g.) was here.'

It was largely destroyed in 1941, with only the steeple and the shell of the walls left standing. I've been visiting it on and off since about 1960. The steeple, Wren's best in my opinion, has been perfectly restored and is now a small block of flats. In 1970, about half of the remaining walls were demolished as part of a road-widening scheme, but at that time, the interior was overgrown wasteland. It has since been converted into a very pleasant garden.

The plan is to reinstate the walls, thus enclosing the garden. I am in two minds about this. The initiators of the plan, in my opinion, overstate the case by excessively denigrating the present state of the site. They want to isolate the garden from the life around it. But in spite of the traffic noise, I find it peaceful enough. If the walls were rebuilt, it would still be pleasant, though different. I won't be lending active support to the plan, but I shan't oppose it either.
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Re: Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

Post by Adrian » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:24 pm

Thanks for that, very interesting. I have made a mental note to visit the place next time I go to London.
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Re: Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

Post by eucsgmrc » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:28 pm

A couple of photos from about 1959 showing the state of Christ Church back then:

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/jandsw/10016975105

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/jandsw/10017078663
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Re: Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

Post by michael scuffil » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:30 pm

That's much as I first remember seeing it.

If we look at the top photo: The 'structure' on the corner of Newgate St/King Edward St is no longer there. I think it's just a lawn. King Edward St has been widened, so that the pavement now runs where the east end of Christ Church was then and continues along the edge of the abovementioned now-demolished structure. The east end of Christ Church and the south (near) wall have been demolished, and the interior is a garden.

Clearly it would have been better if this had not been done (everyone admits that now), but re-instating a ruin to an interim not-quite-so-ruined state seems a curious procedure. (It's been done minimally with Stonehenge, where stones known to have fallen in historical times and whose previous position was known for certain have been put back to where they were before. But I can't think of any other examples.)

The large building site was covered by about 1962 with new buildings that not everybody liked, but in my opinion were decently reticent. I believe they too have since been replaced. THE major change in this part of the city is the removal of the railway bridge at the bottom of Ludgate Hill, thus opening up the splendid view of St Paul's which was vandalized when the bridge was built c. 1880.

(Nice documentary photo, John.)
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Re: Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

Post by michael scuffil » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:48 am

I have just come across this old print of Christ Church, Newgate St, which is the best I've seen actually, because the perspective is right. It also includes two CH boys. But what is this open-air living room in the right foreground?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/desti ... gs/blitz9/
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Re: Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

Post by rockfreak » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:03 pm

What odds on the whole site ending up as flats for Russian oligarchs?

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Re: Revamping of Christ Church Newgate St

Post by Avon » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:11 pm

rockfreak wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:03 pm
What odds on the whole site ending up as flats for Russian oligarchs?
Three years later? Pretty likely, I’d have thought.

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