The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

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The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by richardb » Thu May 31, 2018 8:33 pm

Seemed appropriate to give the trial its own thread.

The case has sttarted:

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/16262547 ... urt_hears/

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by Avon » Thu May 31, 2018 8:53 pm

I knew quite a lot of the back story, but seeing the allegations in black and white is pretty shocking.

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by LHA » Thu May 31, 2018 10:03 pm

thank you. into court alone they go.

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by J.R. » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:10 am

Nothing in the press from Friday.

I therefore assume the Judge has adjourned until Monday 4th.
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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by richardb » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:16 am

There was a delay yesterday afternoon and it looks like the court didn't sit for much of the day.

These are by no means uncommon and the trial should proceed on Monday.

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by J.R. » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:22 am

richardb wrote:
Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:16 am
There was a delay yesterday afternoon and it looks like the court didn't sit for much of the day.

These are by no means uncommon and the trial should proceed on Monday.
Thanks Richard.

I've been rather out of touch for a few days.
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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by Chrissie Boy » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:55 am

Isn't it interesting that the Brighton Argus doesn't allude to Gary Dobbie's being a clergyman? It suggests a deliberate decision not to. He's merely referred to as having been 'head of house' and having been a teacher who also taught at Shrewsbury School. Even when the complainant in question refers to having mentioned the matter to the Chaplain, no mention is made of Dobbie's having been an Assistant Chaplain, which would have put into context the fact of her having complained to the Chaplain. [NB: The person the victim complained to was NOT Dobbie, it was another Chaplain - jtaylor, Moderator]

Is it possible for a court to be told not to try a person as a clergyman but only as a teacher, with a partial news blackout imposed on the local and national media stopping them from flagging up the accused as yet another cleric facing abuse allegations?
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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by richardb » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:08 am

Although it is possible for a court to make such a direction, I would be surprised if it has in this case.

What is more likely is that newspapers have used agency copy and the writer has not picked up on Dobbie's vocation. Or his vocation has not been mentioned in the prosecution opening.

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Post by Chrissie Boy » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:19 am

Thanks, Richard.

It's astonishing that the journalist didn't even bother Googling the name Gary Dobbie for background information, though. Almost beyond belief, in fact.

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by richardb » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:43 am

Strictly speaking they are only supposed to report what is said in court.

But they can never resist referring to the employment, eg retired international footballer, etc.

Previous press coverage has referred to Dobbie's posts in the chaplaincy.

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by Avon » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:18 pm

IIRC by the time I left, Debbie was senior chaplain.

I think it was Porteous, Atkinson and Dobbie when I joined and Dobbie and Banyard when I left.

I would hope that the chaplaincy issue isn’t material to the matter of establishing guilt, but is material should guilt be proven, and a sentence is being considered.

When does Karim get the good news?

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by richardb » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:32 pm

The newspapers say that prize-giving for Karim is around 23 July which suggests he will be sentenced at the end of this trial. Doubtless with Husband and Dobbie if either or both of them get convicted.

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by J.R. » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:40 pm

Ooooh, The Suspense !!!!
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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by richardb » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:46 pm

Early days John, early days.

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Re: The trial of James Andrew Husband and Gary Dobbie

Post by J.R. » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:37 pm

richardb wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:46 pm
Early days John, early days.
In my day, trials were set with an expected duration. Have you heard anythng ?
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