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Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:51 am
by Ajarn Philip
I'm fairly sure my post was removed in error, as I simply stated that he returned to CH in 1983 and when he died in 1992 his ashes were scattered in the grounds. I didn't know MC personally, but Internet research suggests he was highly respected and fondly remembered wherever he went.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:42 am
by J.R.
Hi Phil.

After sorrespondence with Julian, he removed the post from a one-off poster who went a little too far over the top. I know you were defending The Churn. It wasn't YOUR post that was offensive. John R.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:21 pm
by sejintenej
J.R. wrote:Hi Phil.

After sorrespondence with Julian, he removed the post from a one-off poster who went a little too far over the top. I know you were defending The Churn. It wasn't YOUR post that was offensive. John R.
Ajarn might be having the same problem as me; posting to a forum (in my case several) and posts simply not appearing or messages being prepared for email disappearing. For me it is probably this new PC - see my sig comment. If so it is not just this forum

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:41 pm
by jtaylor
Whenever we moderate anything, 99% of the time we'll comment to say what we've done - and any moderation is usually following someone bringing a topic to our attention, and us then judiciously moderating as little as possible to ensure the Forum stays within its founding principles.

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Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:51 pm
by rockfreak
J.R. wrote:Hi Phil.

After sorrespondence with Julian, he removed the post from a one-off poster who went a little too far over the top. I know you were defending The Churn. It wasn't YOUR post that was offensive. John R.
Forgive my computer ignorance but how do you know if someone's a one-off poster, unless you've waited for a while to see if he posts twice. Just think what would have happened if EMI had declared the Beatles to be one-hit wonders after Love Me Do and had terminated their contract before Please Please Me. The poster was alleging all sorts of things in Barnes B in the 1950s but suppose he was right? How can you know unless others who were there at the time come in with their two pen'orth?

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:58 pm
by jhopgood
rockfreak wrote:
J.R. wrote:Hi Phil.

After correspondence with Julian, he removed the post from a one-off poster who went a little too far over the top. I know you were defending The Churn. It wasn't YOUR post that was offensive. John R.
The poster was alleging all sorts of things in Barnes B in the 1950s but suppose he was right? How can you know unless others who were there at the time come in with their two pen'orth?
Must have missed the offending post, but as someone who joined Barnes B in 1959 and had Cherniavsky as housemaster for a year, I would have liked to know what was said to compare them with my memories.
Mind you, as a squit, I spent most of my time trying not to peer over the parapet to notice much of what was going on at the other end of the house, or even in the lower dormitory.
I seem to remember that Paddy Cullen was junior housemaster, and that both were replaced at the end of the year, by C J Miller and Noel Simms, if memory serves me right.
Keibat was there even earlier and so would have better knowledge of what went on.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:02 pm
by J.R.
rockfreak wrote:
J.R. wrote:Hi Phil.

After sorrespondence with Julian, he removed the post from a one-off poster who went a little too far over the top. I know you were defending The Churn. It wasn't YOUR post that was offensive. John R.
Forgive my computer ignorance but how do you know if someone's a one-off poster, unless you've waited for a while to see if he posts twice. Just think what would have happened if EMI had declared the Beatles to be one-hit wonders after Love Me Do and had terminated their contract before Please Please Me. The poster was alleging all sorts of things in Barnes B in the 1950s but suppose he was right? How can you know unless others who were there at the time come in with their two pen'orth?

Moderators can check when posters have been active on this site, and indeed, if they have made fresh posts....

In fact, Julian, as Head Honcho has even more powers than that. SIMPLES........

I trust this answers your question.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:05 pm
by J.R.
jhopgood wrote:
rockfreak wrote:
J.R. wrote:Hi Phil.

After correspondence with Julian, he removed the post from a one-off poster who went a little too far over the top. I know you were defending The Churn. It wasn't YOUR post that was offensive. John R.
The poster was alleging all sorts of things in Barnes B in the 1950s but suppose he was right? How can you know unless others who were there at the time come in with their two pen'orth?
Must have missed the offending post, but as someone who joined Barnes B in 1959 and had Cherniavsky as housemaster for a year, I would have liked to know what was said to compare them with my memories.
Mind you, as a squit, I spent most of my time trying not to peer over the parapet to notice much of what was going on at the other end of the house, or even in the lower dormitory.
I seem to remember that Paddy Cullen was junior housemaster, and that both were replaced at the end of the year, by C J Miller and Noel Simms, if memory serves me right.
Keibat was there even earlier and so would have better knowledge of what went on.

John.

I'm about to PM you.

John.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:28 pm
by jhopgood
Thanks John

Have replied and can only add that the thoughts expressed in the deleted article do not line up with my memories.

Probably best that unsupported comments remain unpublished.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:38 pm
by eucsgmrc
I'm glad I don't carry the responsibility of deciding which articles should be published and which should be deleted.

I did see the "offending article" before it was deleted. It suggested things that I had not been aware of, so it did surprise me. On the other hand, it was no more outrageous than a good deal of today's public discourse, so it didn't greatly offend me. I have no way of knowing whether there was any truth in it. I'm inclined to think not, but I'm also aware of my own ignorance. In any case, it didn't say anything so significant that the "public interest" would demand its publication.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:40 pm
by rockfreak
jhopgood wrote:Thanks John

Have replied and can only add that the thoughts expressed in the deleted article do not line up with my memories.

Probably best that unsupported comments remain unpublished.
But if they are unpublished how do you support or contest them?

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:51 pm
by jtaylor
The forum is not for debating potential controversy or individual allegations - it was not setup for that, and never designed for that purpose.
So by all means debate it, just not on here please.

J

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:54 pm
by jhopgood
Thank you Julian.

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:50 am
by michael scuffil
My contribution was deleted presumably because it quoted the offending post. I can only say what was in the public domain at the time, namely: Three BaB monitors were de-monned (for reasons unknown to me); three monitors (incl. a house captain) were brought in from other houses the next term; Chern was replaced as housemaster by Chris Miller.

I presume (and so did everyone else) that the reason for the latter was that Seaman thought a tougher hand was needed. Chern was, as everyone knew, not a disciplinarian, and I think even his admirers (of which I was one) would agree that he displayed a certain unworldliness which might not have made him the best person to run a house in the context of c. 1960.

Pat Cullen was junior housemaster; he was presumably 'next in line' for a senior housemastership, and moved to ThB when John Page moved to ThA. (But I don't think this happened at precisely the same time as the above, though I can't remember.)

Re: Michael Cherniavsky

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:19 am
by LongGone
At least two of the three came from MaA. It left us scrambling to find additional people to become monitors basically a year early. I never knew why the transfer took place (I don't remember any other cases) other than "BaB needed extra monitors"