The Old Swimming Baths J G Steel Peele A 1940-1947

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Re: The Old Swimming Baths J G Steel Peele A 1940-1947

Post by gma » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:38 pm

For a completely unrelated, non-military and non-Horsam fellow OB - I love how connected this makes me feel.

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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:44 pm

TBA has reminded me,after looking at a Photo, that I managed to get the Bronze and Silver Medals from the Royal Life=Saving Society, and the 1st class Instructor's Certificate ---- which were displayed on my bathing costume.
I got all these, while still at CH, there was quite a fashion for the RLSS.at the School.
Does it still exist ? and do they still have to "Rescue" two bricks in a sack ?? :lol:

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Post by sejintenej » Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:25 pm

NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:TBA has reminded me,after looking at a Photo, that I managed to get the Bronze and Silver Medals from the Royal Life=Saving Society, and the 1st class Instructor's Certificate ---- which were displayed on my bathing costume.
I got all these, while still at CH, there was quite a fashion for the RLSS.at the School.
Does it still exist ? and do they still have to "Rescue" two bricks in a sack ?? :lol:
AFAIK CH didn't do it in the mid 1950's but in 1958 when they formed "Civil Defence" as a section of the CCF then it became cumpulsory for all members of those platoons. At the same time I think a few boys started doing it outside the CCF and at least one got to Medal of Merit level.

Basic entry test was to swim a short distance (?250 yds) free style followed by the same distance rescue stroke and pick a brick from the bottom, all without stopping. No sacks AFAIR. Carrying a victim was easier - about a length by each of a couple of carries and including breathing into the person.

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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:36 am

Many things have changed --- TBA thinks that "Resuscitation" (?) by waving th patient's arms about, is HILARIOUS !

But then her Patients in Intensive Care were slightly "Deader!" :lol:

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Post by Fjgrogan » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:48 pm

My first introduction to artificial respiration was via the CH Guide company when the method in vogue was Holger Nielson, which required that the 'victim' should be tidily positioned on dry land; the advantage of the later method, whose name I forget, but which required breathing into the 'victim', was that you could get a couple of breaths in whilst still in the water, which could make all the difference. On the whole life-saving is something which I have learnt in theory and could probably remember in an emergency, but thankfully have never had to perform in practice (I feel the same about changing a car wheel!). But then although I can swim it is not something I choose to do for fun! I am currently in Finland and Maria has been trying to persuade me to go swimming with her - she had almost succeeded until I discovered that the swim is usually followed by the sauna - no way!
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Post by sejintenej » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:32 pm

NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:Many things have changed --- TBA thinks that "Resuscitation" (?) by waving th patient's arms about, is HILARIOUS !

But then her Patients in Intensive Care were slightly "Deader!" :lol:
Remind TBA that there exist situations when Holger Neilssen** is the only feasible method - severe jaw injury or burns being an example. Frances is right that the current method is far more desirable. ** There was an alternative method - Sylvester - which also involved arm waving and near shoulder dislocation
However, would you care to ask TBA what the success rate for mouth-to-mouth resuscitation actually is? (Best not to post the official answer)

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Post by J.R. » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:05 pm

............. reminds me of the early days in 'Plod'

I, as a rookie with a seasoned veteran cop had to pull a body from under a bridge on the River Mole.

Seasoned cop said to me.... "You realise we can't certify death, don't you ?'

I confirmed that I knew that, and asked what the next course of action should be.....

"Trained in mouth to mouth rescus, aren't you ?" He wickedly replied, very straight faced.

.... and people wonder where I get my sense of 'gallows' humour from ! CH was only just the start.
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Post by sejintenej » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:55 pm

J.R. wrote:............. reminds me of the early days in 'Plod'

I, as a rookie with a seasoned veteran cop had to pull a body from under a bridge on the River Mole.

Seasoned cop said to me.... "You realise we can't certify death, don't you ?'

I confirmed that I knew that, and asked what the next course of action should be.....

"Trained in mouth to mouth rescus, aren't you ?" He wickedly replied, very straight faced.

.... and people wonder where I get my sense of 'gallows' humour from ! CH was only just the start.
You might just be able to remind me of the name of the CH housemaster who also had been a plod. He regaled us one day to a story of having to remove a body from a bath; it appears that the person had got a bit more than merry, got in the bath and turned on the hot tap before settling down to a good (long) kip. Allegedly he / she was so well poached that the meat fell off the bones as any decntly cooked meat should.

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sejintenej wrote:
J.R. wrote:............. reminds me of the early days in 'Plod'

I, as a rookie with a seasoned veteran cop had to pull a body from under a bridge on the River Mole.

Seasoned cop said to me.... "You realise we can't certify death, don't you ?'

I confirmed that I knew that, and asked what the next course of action should be.....

"Trained in mouth to mouth rescus, aren't you ?" He wickedly replied, very straight faced.

.... and people wonder where I get my sense of 'gallows' humour from ! CH was only just the start.
You might just be able to remind me of the name of the CH housemaster who also had been a plod. He regaled us one day to a story of having to remove a body from a bath; it appears that the person had got a bit more than merry, got in the bath and turned on the hot tap before settling down to a good (long) kip. Allegedly he / she was so well poached that the meat fell off the bones as any decently cooked meat should.

Happy nightmares everyone.
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For him, the most upsetting was a women, who had died of natural causes (cancer), but had lived the last few years of her life behind a veil. The cancer ate her face away. I saw the black and white photo, and that was gruesome.
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Post by englishangel » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:33 am

While we are being gruesome, my uncle was in the West Midlands Police at the time of the Birmingham pub bombings (November 1974) and swears to this day he picked up more body bits than the number of people thought to have died.
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Post by J.R. » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:44 pm

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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:23 pm

Most of the corpses, I have met "Socially" were well beyond any form of resuscitation !

More a case of Aruldie, needle and thread, Gaffer tape, and a plastic sack ----- :oops:


Before I get a tirade of response for being in sensitive ------ I Jest !!! :lol: :lol:

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Post by J.R. » Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:32 pm

NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:Most of the corpses, I have met "Socially" were well beyond any form of resuscitation !

More a case of Aruldie, needle and thread, Gaffer tape, and a plastic sack ----- :oops:


Before I get a tirade of response for being in sensitive ------ I Jest !!! :lol: :lol:

We did a lot of 'jesting' in 'Plod' !

You had too, to keep sane. No such thing as 'Counselling' in those good old days !
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Post by englishangel » Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:59 pm

As do nurses and doctors, sometimes you have to laugh or you cry, hence the popularity of the 'Doctor' books, and, more recently "Scrubs".
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Post by J.R. » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:10 pm

I have at least a couple of mortuary incidents which might be a little too strong for this forum, hilarious though they are, they contain real 'gallows' humour !

One concerns a paint-brush, and the other a deceased drowned person.

I'll leave you to 'boggle' your minds on your own.
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