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Post by fra828 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:02 pm

People are angry, I feel angry as my disabled daughter's daycare has been affected greatly by the government cuts. The vulnerable and front line services are most affected, and the cruelty of this really upsets me as well as the bankers' greed, MP's expenses-fiddling and as others have said, sheer hypocrisy and double standards of politicians. The sadness of these riots were the deaths and also all the innocent people who were affected. The wrong target, if I dare say it- where is Guy Fawkes when you need him! :x Another thing, instead of volunteers stepping in, why were the rioters not MADE to clear up the aftermath as part of the punishment?

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Post by marty » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:08 am

fra828 wrote:Another thing, instead of volunteers stepping in, why were the rioters not MADE to clear up the aftermath as part of the punishment?
Funny old thing:

http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16050805
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Post by fra828 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:03 pm

marty wrote:
fra828 wrote:Another thing, instead of volunteers stepping in, why were the rioters not MADE to clear up the aftermath as part of the punishment?
Funny old thing:

http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16050805
Thank you, Marty, hadn't seen the article I don't agree with Nick Clegg very often, but he has the right idea about offenders clearing up in florescent jackets.

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Post by J.R. » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:02 pm

Public flogging might have a good effect, but then, I'm 'old-school' !!
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Post by marty » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:07 pm

Some sort of public shaming wouldn't go amiss, although no doubt that'll upset the pc brigade as the criminals' "human rights" will have been violated.
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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:42 am

Regretabbly------ Community Service Orders, don't seem to be much of a punishment.

Yes flourescent jackets, and cleaning the streets of rubbish, is a good idea, but I was told, recently, that using the offenders to clean the roadsides of the rubbish thrown out from cars, and, in our local area, by children, on their way home from school ----- would be subjecting the Offenders" to "Danger" and would be challenged by Human Rights legislation. --- !!!!.

Further, I am told that because of the shortage of Probation Officers, there is little supervision of whether Community Service Orders are actually carried out !

I have, yesterday, been diagnosed with what, on another Topic, is described as a "Little B****er" in my Bladder -- and I am beginning to care less and less !!

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Post by anniexf » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:32 am

NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:
I have, yesterday, been diagnosed with what, on another Topic, is described as a "Little B****er" in my Bladder
Neill, I'm so sorry to read that, you must feel gutted. I do hope you'll get all the necessary treatment quickly. Life can be a bitch, can't it - but I'm sure that with your very positive attitude you'll beat it - after all, fighting's in your genes! :)

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Post by sejintenej » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pm

marty wrote:Some sort of public shaming wouldn't go amiss, although no doubt that'll upset the pc brigade as the criminals' "human rights" will have been violated.
and what about the human rights of the victims? Even though it would be me paying, I reckon the victims (shop owners and operators, individuals etc.) should have state aid to sue those found guilty for abuse of their (the victims') human rights as well as the physical costs involved. I don't care if those responsible have to work for the rest of their lives to pay the costs etc. As for those under 18 make their parents responsible for the actions of their children.

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Post by Mid A 15 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:16 pm

anniexf wrote:
NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:
I have, yesterday, been diagnosed with what, on another Topic, is described as a "Little B****er" in my Bladder
Neill, I'm so sorry to read that, you must feel gutted. I do hope you'll get all the necessary treatment quickly. Life can be a bitch, can't it - but I'm sure that with your very positive attitude you'll beat it - after all, fighting's in your genes! :)
I too am sorry to read this Neill.

Hopefully it's been caught early and you will soon be fighting fit to enjoy your family and carry on keeping us entertained on here.
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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:00 am

Thanks for all your good wishes -- really appreciated !

Discovered by a Cystoscopy --------- DONT ASK !!! --- the Nurses among you will explain ! :oops:

Operation for removal, inder "General" in 3/4 weeks time. :D

I am not despondent, at 83 SOMETHING has to go wrong !! :lol:

End of comments, but I will report results, on another Topic. I am cheered by the arrival of another G.Granddaughter, in Switzerland. :wine:

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Post by marty » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:19 am

sejintenej wrote:and what about the human rights of the victims? Even though it would be me paying, I reckon the victims (shop owners and operators, individuals etc.) should have state aid to sue those found guilty for abuse of their (the victims') human rights as well as the physical costs involved. I don't care if those responsible have to work for the rest of their lives to pay the costs etc. As for those under 18 make their parents responsible for the actions of their children.
100% agree with you.
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Post by Angela Woodford » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:04 pm

I felt terribly sad to see the burned-out ruin that was Reeves of Croyden.

A family business since 1861! And a local S London landmark.

Will need another bed soon - wish I could buy it from Reeves to demonstrate support.
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Post by J.R. » Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:13 pm

Angela Woodford wrote:I felt terribly sad to see the burned-out ruin that was Reeves of Croyden.

A family business since 1861! And a local S London landmark.

Will need another bed soon - wish I could buy it from Reeves to demonstrate support.

Apparently Reeves only lost their show-room stock. They had much more in storage, though I don't know where they are trading from at the present moment.
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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:56 pm

Of course I dont know much about Croydon, as it has become, prior to the riots -----

I remember it as the "Glittering Lights" when I was learning to be a Guardsman at Caterham Barracks.
We tended to get away from Caterham, as being too close to the Guards Depot, and the likelihood of bumping into a Drill Segeant in the pub !! :oops:
My "Home" at that time was at Crystal Palace, where my Parents lived. It was not a place to make young blood run faster.

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Post by jhopgood » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:44 pm

NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote: I remember it as the "Glittering Lights" when I was learning to be a Guardsman at Caterham Barracks.
We tended to get away from Caterham, as being too close to the Guards Depot, and the likelihood of bumping into a Drill Segeant in the pub !! :oops:
My "Home" at that time was at Crystal Palace, where my Parents lived. It was not a place to make young blood run faster.
Bit off subject but I wonder if Neill recognises the name, Philip Ellor? I worked with him and he claimed that he was training to be a Guardsman before WWII, but broke his leg on a training exercise, when he fell off a ladder climbing the walls of Windsor Castle. He was left with a limp and ended up in India making sure, as he put it, making sure that the hammer heads arrived at the same place and time as the hammer shafts. He retired as a Lt Colonel.
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