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sejintenej wrote:


CH does not have to compete with the local comp; the situations are totally different. CH pupils in theory have no alternative source of their 5 a day, protein etc but comp pupils can avoid their school meals and hopefully get a proper meal from mummy or the chippie.
Long before your time there was a standard menu - which you ate or starved. (I'm not sure how the Jewish boy in Col A was handled - we served him the same stuff as everyone else and he thrived on it). However parents knew the situation in advance - they could accept it or simply not apply for a place which IMHO should be the policy now.
That is not to say a change was impossible to arrange; a London specialist (thanks to my mother's employer) prescribed for me one banana a day to control not too bad acne. In an interview about the matter Dr Scott was far from totally in favour of specialists but I did get the banana. AFAIR there were just a few foods I had to avoid; no alternatives were made available but I suspect helpings of the other parts of the meal might have been increased slightly - that was up to the Trades Mon.

Having mentioned a Jewish boy, the crew on my first job included a Sikh. Given the conditions everyone was ordered to be clean-shaven at all times - the Sikh took the instructions to the temple where he was given permission to shave and to eat whatever food was available - mainly beef pemmican it turned out. Of course nobody had spotted the religious significance in advance so the instructions to him were instantly reversed though he chose to follow the rules binding the rest of us. Why cannot others try to fit in with the majority?
I think we are both arguing the same thing - I was just trying not to antagonise too many people who might feel that certain groups need separate catering. FYI The disaster when contracting out started was that the company had simply divided the number of pupils by the portion sizes on the Brake Bros catering packs they bought without considering CH table sizes. So for the first week or so they tried to give each 14 person table a 10 portion tray of lasagne or whatever - when there was an understandable outcry from all the boys about needing more food (little complaint from the girls if i remember rightly), they then had to up the amounts to 2 trays per table, thus they ran out of supplies/money near the end of the Lent term and the Summer term was a term of very low cost catering. I remember we used to have a deal with the nearest BarnesB (girls) table that we would take their left over food as they seemed to only pick at the 2nd tray and we could easily demolish 2.5 trays between 14 senior boys

I would have thought with the money being spent on the new kitchens it was time to look at bringing catering back in house. Surely having total control over eating makes it far easier to ensure sufficient balanced food intake than when people have help yourself buffet service
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wurzel wrote:Surely having total control over eating makes it far easier to ensure sufficient balanced food intake than when people have help yourself buffet service
There is never an issue with this, as house staff are in dining hall with the pupils from their house, and they monitor what food is being chosen and how much is eaten.
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AKAP wrote:

Until now I have stayed out of this debate as I am not a parent past,present or future of a child at CH, but I am an Old Blue. I have therefore followed the points with interest and have to reach the conclusion that there is a real and difficult issue going on in here for current parents. But one thing I am certain of in my own mind is that there is not some form of conspiracy going on to change CH into just another private school.
For that to happen this group of people http://www.christs-hospital.org.uk/foun ... moners.php would have to have an agenda to work against the mission statement.
I give up my own time to do voluntary work for a number of different charities, I do so because I believe in the aims of those charities and I am confident that the current almoners (and previous almoners) believe in the aims of CH.
I believe that they are making decisions to guide CH through a difficult financial situation. Some of those decisions will be the right decisions some,we may find later were wrong. But I am prepared to accept that the decisions were made in good faith.
I wish them well.
I have the greatest of respect for the integrity of the Council of Almoners. However, I can't help thinking that in this particular hole they should perhaps stop digging and look instead for another way out, before it's too late to go back. However much the Council might not intend to turn CH into just another private school, there does seem to be a real danger that this will be the result of the current changes.

I wonder whether a more radical alternative has been considered ? I have long wondered why CH does not educate more 'looked after' children - the type of disadvantaged and vulnerable young people for whom the school was founded, and for whom it could offer much-needed stability and a genuinely life-changing educational opportunity. Only a few days ago I read an item on the BBC online news suggesting that Kent County Council are hoping to place more 'at risk' children in boarding schools http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-13881133. As this article observes, boarding school fees compare very favourably with the cost of residential care, and CH could well find that public sector authorities would happily pay full fees for such children without the need for the 'carrot' of scholarship subsidy. More importantly, this move would be faithful to the mission of the school.

Maybe I'm being naive here, but this strikes me as having the potential to be a win-win situation for CH.
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Actually Kent would be a good choice as well as they still hold 11+ exams so would have no ideological problem with the entrance exam
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This thought-provoking idea from ailurophile, AKAP's heartfelt defence of the spirit in which recent necessary changes to the school's approach to its 'mission' have been made, the concerns raised by parents in this thread about problems where the fee contributions they are asked to pay appear to rise out of all proportion with the original commitment they made when they accepted a place at the school, and YadaYada's query (on another thread) about how parents could become more involved with helping the school seem to me to be all parts of a whole.

There are plenty of CH parents (past and present), some of whom are themselves Old Blues or relatives of Old Blues, who are not just interested in their own child's progress through the school, but who have a far wider interest in the well-being and ethos of the school in general and a determination that it should remain essentially intact for others now and after their own children have left.

Modern CH parents are in a very different position from the parents of 50 or even 10 years ago, who must have often have felt very distant from the day to day life of the school, and would presumably often not have expected to have any great involvement in school matters. Mobile phones and emails mean that nowadays parents get frequent updates on all the little details of school life from their children - every little excitement or problem is instantly conveyed to them and they cannot help but feel far more involved in their child's life at school. Further more the internet means that parents can now quickly and easily exchange information and opinions about school matters among themselves, so that even those living a considerable distance away are able to keep abreast of all the school news and gossip. I'm not sure myself whether this is all a good or a bad thing, but one thing is certain and that is that it is unavoidable. Which is why it seems strange that the school doesn't do more to encourage and harness the interest, energy and engagement of parents like those on this forum to work for the benefit of the school. I think this is partly what I meant in my criticism a while ago of the official school forum - it is lacking the energy of this forum, and that energy and the idea that school and parents are working together to safeguard the future of CH is what is needed in these tough times. Surely by failing to involve parents more, at a time when the school itself admits to a crisis in funding requiring drastic measures to remedy, CH is ignoring a really valuable and positive source of ideas and energy. Opening a dialogue between school and parents about how best to maintain the school's tradition of helping the neediest, without disadvantaging too badly those families who bring with them the money that helps to support those neediest, could go a long way towards easing some of the frustration that people have been expressing here. The school would quite likely make the same decisions it would have anyway, after discussions with parents, but those decisions might be better understood by us and seem less high-handed or more reasonable. Many of us may not have the professional expertise of the Council of Almoners but we are a diverse and quirky bunch and who knows, someone might throw up a 'radical' suggestion, like ailurophile's, that turns out to be the first step to a more secure future for the school.
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Opening a dialogue between school and parents about how best to maintain the school's tradition of helping the neediest, without disadvantaging too badly those families who bring with them the money that helps to support those neediest, could go a long way towards easing some of the frustration that people have been expressing here. The school would quite likely make the same decisions it would have anyway, after discussions with parents, but those decisions might be better understood by us and seem less high-handed or more reasonable. Many of us may not have the professional expertise of the Council of Almoners but we are a diverse and quirky bunch and who knows, someone might throw up a 'radical' suggestion, like ailurophile's, that turns out to be the first step to a more secure future for the school.
Well put!
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Well put!
Hear hear! Very well said Antinous, I really hope that your post is read by some of the people who do have a voice at CH.
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Well we have finally had the letter and our fees have gone from nothing to nearly £3k pa. We have no spare money per month and cannot understand how this has been worked out. We will now have to pay for music too, so DD will have to give up oboe and singing. Plus her little sister will have to wave goodbye to starting the violin....something we thought would be an asset should she apply for CH. And her brother will have to forget the extra drama which he needs to get on to a decent university course in a couple of years. And none of that will go any way towards £3k pa anyway.
We are astounded. We are earning little more than last year and outgoings have NOT gone down, so are aghast at this increase. We go over our overdraft limit every month as it is! I am shaking with anger and disbelief!
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We will now have to pay for music too, so DD will have to give up oboe and singing. Plus her little sister will have to wave goodbye to starting the violin....something we thought would be an asset should she apply for CH.
This has me really anxious! We are in almost exactly the same position from the sound of it as SAS and the only reason that my younger, non-CH, child is able to have music lessons is because the older child gets free music lessons at CH. If we start having to pay for those lessons then the younger will have to go without, if we keep paying for the younger's lessons then we can't pay for the older one to have them. What a choice to have to make!

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Well we have finally had the letter and our fees have gone from nothing to nearly £3k pa. We have no spare money per month and cannot understand how this has been worked out. We will now have to pay for music too, so DD will have to give up oboe and singing. Plus her little sister will have to wave goodbye to starting the violin....something we thought would be an asset should she apply for CH. And her brother will have to forget the extra drama which he needs to get on to a decent university course in a couple of years. And none of that will go any way towards £3k pa anyway.
We are astounded. We are earning little more than last year and outgoings have NOT gone down, so are aghast at this increase. We go over our overdraft limit every month as it is! I am shaking with anger and disbelief!
I'm really sorry to see this post SAS, and I do feel for you. Before you make yourself ill with worry, I advise you to contact Mrs Young and ask for clarification of the figures - it's always possible that there has been a simple error in your calculation.

I can still remember the shock and panic we felt when our own children's fees rocketed out of the blue a few years ago. Our earnings had not risen, but the criteria used to assess net income had been changed. The Counting House did at least have the courtesy to send a letter detailing the changes and giving some explanation of why our fee increase was considered 'fair' (although we were given no idea of how we were expected to find the extra money!). Now it appears that parents receive no information whatsoever to help them in understanding how their annual contribution has been calculated. This is unacceptable, and is an example of the type of issue which could be addressed more effectively if parents had some form of representative voice on the governing body, as recently suggested on another thread.

Good luck SAS, I hope you get a sympathetic and helpful response from the Counting House.
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Thank you - I am gearing up to call them tomorrow - I am too shocked to speak today! We are hoping that they might have made a mistake.......
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On the music issue, both our sons had to give up instrumental tuition when the youngest entered CH. We were financially overstretched just to pay the assessed fees for two children, and music lessons were just one of the 'luxuries' which had to be sacrificed. I've always felt this was a great shame as the strong musical tradition of the school opens up so many opportunities to those pupils fortunate enough to be able to get involved.
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as the strong musical tradition of the school opens up so many opportunities to those pupils fortunate enough to be able to get involved.
Absolutely. DD was unable to have music teaching at her primary, as we could not afford it, and was so pleased to be able to at CH. She has a lovely singing voice but, unlike some children, will not be able to make the most of it now. If the assessment is correct.
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We are hoping that they might have made a mistake....
I am hoping they have made a mistake too - for your sakes but also because if they say they haven't then things are looking very bleak for the rest of us too.

Still waiting for the dreaded letter. Think I will sit down to open it.
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Can't believe you haven't had it yet. It isn't alphabetical then, is it? I suppose you might know before the end of term????
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