Also isn't part of the point of the tests to look at their future potential and whether they would respond favourably to a boarding environment?
My dds room mate for the overnighter kept turning on the lights, knocking on doors etc - she didn't get offered a place - was it on her results or on her behaviour
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Most definitely yes!ReallyMissingHer wrote:Also isn't part of the point of the tests to look at their future potential and whether they would respond favourably to a boarding environment?
Behaviour is "assessed" too
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Some time ago, elsewhere on this forum I even saw a comment along the lines that brighter pupils didn't need presentations and that they should be left for pupils who wouldn't otherwise get in!
How on earth can any parent who is going through the application process for their child possibly know where their child falls on the brightness scale compared to all the other applicants?!
I don't think the presentees are included in the rank order of the competative pupils but I could be wrong. So in effect the highest scoring pupil in the entrance exams could be a presentee but would not appear in the letter which gives the rank order.Three years ago there were letters sent which stated the rank order of the child or alternatively said something vague and congratulatory. In effect it doesn't matter because if you get a place -job done. There must certainly be pupils in the school who have a presentation and a very average or low test score who may be caring for a disabled parent and who go to a terrible primary school and yet...they have potential.These pupils can go on to achieve more than the highest score in the original assessments. All these scores are soon forgotten and become yesterdays news very quickly.
It is completely up to the governor what criteria they want to apply.
anniexf wrote:Unbelievable, YadaYada! They missed out on a little star! Perhaps the child they chose was just a bit more "needy" in the CH sense?
Yes, but luckily the school didn't miss out on Yada's son who has clearly already more than justified their decision to give him a place - perhaps the point was that he was well able to gain a place based on academic ability (and whatever his level of need was), and the governor decided to take pity on someone who was far less likely to shine in the entrance assessment but had demonstrated to the governor that they had need of and would make good use of a place?
I think it's great that there is this other route into CH for a handful of the (perhaps) less obviously able applicants (and I'm sure we can all think of examples of friends or relatives who were unexceptional at 11 or so and then suddenly blossomed at 13 or 14 and went on to produce great results), but equally I do think that it could do with being a little better explained to prospective parents - I don't generally struggle to understand stuff but I have to admit that I didn't apply for a presentation simply because I didn't understand what it was.
The nature of life is such that every year CH misses out on children who could really have benefitted from what they have to offer and who, once at the school, would probably have been indistinguishable in performance from the vast majority of pupils there, but who haven't been able to produce the goods on the test days. Luckily for my child they do have assessment procedures that look at so much more than the results of a handful of tests taken on one day since at the schools that didn't we stood no chance of being offered a place. Long may it remain so!
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This, surely, allows for the "Bright" element ?
ALSO, and most importantly, there was a "Glass Ceiling"" in force, regarding Parent's Income.
This, surely, allows for the "Charitable" element
The difference today, has been eloquently explained by the School's Foundation's desperate need fo money, since the building of more accomodation for "Staff", a new Sporst Complex and Swimming Pool, "Grecian's East and West" and the re-furbishment of the Kitchens (Have they now a more high-falutin' name ? )
The lack of "Income" has been blamed on the "Stock Market" but as many of us are aware, these returns are variable, and the best advice for "Shares" is to "Hold Tight ! "
"Overheads" walk out of a Factory on two legs --- I was once told ---- and I would invite you to read Luke 12 VV 16 ---20
Who knows what tommorrow may bring ?
Actually DS did get a presentation - second-time around. At that time we had no idea how he would perform in the entrance exams as he was only in a small village primary of 63 pupils so it was impossible to compare his ability. The presentation was a real relief because he then knew he wouldn't be ranked.
I agree that the first governor chose someone who was more 'needy' and have no problems with that at all because that is what the system is about. Sadly, I understand that the student concerned didn't make the most of the opportunity and is no longer at CH.
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Another result was that boys from the prep were always senior to thoe who were admitted at 11. We also started about 2-3 days after the rest of the school, except for those who were just starting in the prep.
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