Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by DazedandConfused » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:49 pm

If it’s the case that Fleming (and potentially others) did escalate the reports and then felt able to do nothing further for fear of the system or for their jobs, then I’m even more disgusted with the leadership team. I don’t accept that this was the culture everywhere in the 90s, although it may have been the case at CH.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Golfer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:00 pm

richardb wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:38 pm
You are right.

I have spent 34 years in law. Rape always has been rape and incapable of justification by anyone. Nor can inaction be justified. Ever.

A poor response.
When did CH management - or CH staff - get to hear of this rape allegation?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by yamaha » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:09 pm

Poulton, Cairncross, Sillett, Fleming et al should be charged with something like facilitating pedophilic crimes for not reporting these crimes to the police and allowing the perpetrators to carry on to other schools. If they can't be charged the law needs to be changed. People in their positions need to be compelled to behave with decency even if they lack it.
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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Golfer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:13 pm

Look - I am not seeking to justify stuff that happened. All I am saying is that I am very confident that Neil Fleming will have done the right thing in the context of the time.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:15 pm

Golfer wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:00 pm
richardb wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:38 pm
You are right.

I have spent 34 years in law. Rape always has been rape and incapable of justification by anyone. Nor can inaction be justified. Ever.

A poor response.
When did CH management - or CH staff - get to hear of this rape allegation?
I have no idea.

But the school appears to have known in the 1990s.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:15 pm

Golfer wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:13 pm
Look - I am not seeking to justify stuff that happened. All I am saying is that I am very confident that Neil Fleming will have done the right thing in the context of the time.
What do you say was the right thing?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Golfer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:22 pm

richardb wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:15 pm
Golfer wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:00 pm
richardb wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:38 pm
You are right.

I have spent 34 years in law. Rape always has been rape and incapable of justification by anyone. Nor can inaction be justified. Ever.

A poor response.
When did CH management - or CH staff - get to hear of this rape allegation?
I have no idea.

But the school appears to have known in the 1990s.
That's not true.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:24 pm

How do you know?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Golfer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:25 pm

How do you know?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:27 pm

"The court heard one girl's mother phoned housemaster Neil Flemming about the alleged grooming, but no action was taken."

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Golfer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:29 pm

That doesn't mean Neil Fleming took no action

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:30 pm

Why do you say that? Are you Fleming?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by DazedandConfused » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:34 pm

Either Fleming did something with the information or he didn’t. If he didn’t, a teacher failed the victim. If he did, a senior member of staff failed the victim.

All three members of the leadership team admitted failures when it came to Karim.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Golfer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:38 pm

richardb wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:30 pm
Why do you say that? Are you Fleming?
That's not even worthy of a response.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by yamaha » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:38 pm

All three members of the leadership team admitted failures when it came to Karim.
Yet it was reported that he was given glowing references.

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