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Post by CHAZ » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:53 pm

Another round of negative publicity though this time concerning pupils. All rather sad and disappointing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... kmail.html
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Post by rockfreak » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:09 pm

Was the youth involved a private boarder by any chance?

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Post by Foureyes » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:08 am

I suggest that this report is treated with caution until the facts are established. It is normal police/MOJ practice to hear a case in the area where the alleged offence took place (bigger ones go to London). Therefore, if this offence had taken place at C.H. Horsham it would have been heard in Horsham (as with the masters, for example). BUT it was heard in Lincoln, and it is not generally known that there is a school in that city named 'Lincoln Christ's Hospital.' Could there be some confusion? I have written to the Clerk asking him to deconflict!
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Post by Foureyes » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:58 am

Oooops! Despite my hopes otherwise, this man is an Old Blue - see Franklin's statement on the CHOBA website.
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Post by postwarblue » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:32 am

As the villain has been sentenced, with a bit of luck there will be no more 'news' about this one.

Running a coed boarding school must always have been like sitting on a powder keg but in the digital age, coupled with privacy 'rights', even more so.
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Post by J.R. » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:47 pm

postwarblue wrote:As the villain has been sentenced, with a bit of luck there will be no more 'news' about this one.

Running a coed boarding school must always have been like sitting on a powder keg but in the digital age, coupled with privacy 'rights', even more so.
I trotally agree, Robert.

At least this has been dealt with in a court of law, and NOT swept under a carpet of convenience.
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Post by sejintenej » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:32 pm

With 800 pupils and a turnover in excess of 100pa you can guess that there are over 6500 pupils and OBs around so the chances of one of those commmitting something unsavory are very high. Nothing the school can do to prevent someone going off the rails. Incidentally I heard tht women tend to offend even more than men!

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Post by michael scuffil » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:07 pm

It would be most extraordinary if an Old Blue weren't convicted in a court of law from time to time. If this one had left 40 years ago, rather than less than two, I doubt if the HM would have found it necessary to say anything, but as he's known to most of the school, I imagine it's a talking point and requires an official 'statement'.
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Post by Avon » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:19 pm

Heavens knows what compelled the HM to make such a statement, it's an act beneath the dignity of CH, and need not be remarked on.

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Post by postwarblue » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:40 am

I think the statement WAS necessary since the event was very visibly in the public domain (Mail, Telegraph at least). The school needed to make very clear, not only to the public but also to parents and pupils (the last as a deterrent), that matters like this are passed to the police by CH and not just 'dealt with' internally.
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Post by J.R. » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:45 pm

There is a more comprehensive report of this matter in local press near to me.

It appears the 'student' in question was studying at The University of Surrey at the time of the offences, so why The Mail highlighted CH is beyond me.
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Post by rockfreak » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:57 pm

I don't wish to bring the wrath of the feminist movement down on my head, at least not the genuine, first-wave tendency, as opposed to the totalitarian, hairy-legged, Andrea Dworkin, man accusing, modern day tendency) - after all, I'm a stout supporter of women's rights who would have been quite prepared to join in with Sisters Uncut on some of their direct actions recently, only they ask the guys from UK Uncut to support them on social media rather than in person. But really, these two girls who got so enmeshed by the charm and plausibility of the youth in this case (who, by his appearance and demeanor, seems to resemble a trader at Goldman Sachs), one wonders just what kind of world they were living in. Is it my age? How many women out there (of any age) would have got their kit off and taken a picture for someone who wasn't even their regular boyfriend? Maybe that's how it is these days. I'm a child of the sixties so I'm well familiar with libertarianism. If you don't mind your lovely body going viral (as many chicks wouldn't have in my youth) that's fine. Good on you. I wish I had a beautiful body still. But if you're of a modest disposition, surely you recognise the possibilities of things going viral on the internet in the hands of unscrupulous males? Look folks, I'm not being entirely facetious, this is a serious question on my part. As an innocent at large on the internet there are a lot of things that confuse me and one of them is the failure of innocent young girls to recognise danger. As a male with the standard issue of testosterone I know only too well the dangers and stratagems that men employ. No-one is excusing the guy concerned who appears to have got what he deserved from the courts. But don't women have a duty to behave sensibly and a bit cautiously as well? All this stuff is well summed up in my favourite author Camille Paglia's book "Vamps and Tramps". I'd be interested in some intelligent comment from either sex (or age) outside the usual and tedious "what a disaster for our school's reputation" crap. Whether you like it or not, if there's one thing that will outlive Christ's Hospital, it's nature, warts and all.

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Post by Mid A 15 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:17 am

rockfreak wrote:I don't wish to bring the wrath of the feminist movement down on my head, at least not the genuine, first-wave tendency, as opposed to the totalitarian, hairy-legged, Andrea Dworkin, man accusing, modern day tendency) - after all, I'm a stout supporter of women's rights who would have been quite prepared to join in with Sisters Uncut on some of their direct actions recently, only they ask the guys from UK Uncut to support them on social media rather than in person. But really, these two girls who got so enmeshed by the charm and plausibility of the youth in this case (who, by his appearance and demeanor, seems to resemble a trader at Goldman Sachs), one wonders just what kind of world they were living in. Is it my age? How many women out there (of any age) would have got their kit off and taken a picture for someone who wasn't even their regular boyfriend? Maybe that's how it is these days. I'm a child of the sixties so I'm well familiar with libertarianism. If you don't mind your lovely body going viral (as many chicks wouldn't have in my youth) that's fine. Good on you. I wish I had a beautiful body still. But if you're of a modest disposition, surely you recognise the possibilities of things going viral on the internet in the hands of unscrupulous males? Look folks, I'm not being entirely facetious, this is a serious question on my part. As an innocent at large on the internet there are a lot of things that confuse me and one of them is the failure of innocent young girls to recognise danger. As a male with the standard issue of testosterone I know only too well the dangers and stratagems that men employ. No-one is excusing the guy concerned who appears to have got what he deserved from the courts. But don't women have a duty to behave sensibly and a bit cautiously as well? All this stuff is well summed up in my favourite author Camille Paglia's book "Vamps and Tramps". I'd be interested in some intelligent comment from either sex (or age) outside the usual and tedious "what a disaster for our school's reputation" crap. Whether you like it or not, if there's one thing that will outlive Christ's Hospital, it's nature, warts and all.
As a father of 3, grandfather of 2 and uncle of many more one thing I have observed over the years is the inherently narcissistic nature of the social media youngsters are seemingly obsessed with such as Facebook. They seem to gather 'friends' like trophies and changing their status numerous times a day seems de rigeur as is posting photos of almost every life event significant or not.

In my opinion it is not such a leap for Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat etc addicts (which is what some youngsters seem to be) to take it a step further and post naked photos given the narcissistic premise with which I started.

CH, from what I can see, has become far more 'open' to external influences than 'back in our day' (when an activity as innocent as listening to the Hit Parade was considered subversive in some circles) and in many ways that is undeniably a good thing. However CH youngsters are no more immune to the pitfalls of social media than youngsters from elsewhere and bullying and intimidation take many different forms. Unscrupulous use of photos being one.
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Post by Katharine » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:14 pm

As a woman 'of a certain age', almost the same age as J.R., I do tend to agree with rockfreak in this case. How anyone does bring themselves to pose naked for anyone other than a loved one is beyond me. In my opinion, both sides are at fault, the girls for being foolish in the extreme, his fault is obviously far more.

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Post by jtaylor » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:06 pm

Revenge porn can obviously happen in both directions, and both boys and girls should be far more cautious than they seem to be today. The sex of the person sharing the photo is irrelevant, and both boys and girls are more than capable these days of sharing explicit photos - and also capable of embarking on a path to revenge porn....
It'll all too easy for youngsters these days, in the heat of the moment, to take and send a picture - particularly when they feel they've got a good relationship of trust - without realising quite how fleeting that relationship could be, particularly at a young age.

Whilst I completely agree that the girls were extremely foolish, this behaviour is endemic in youngsters these days, especially given quite how quick, and instant the process is. Before the days of digital photos, there simply wasn't a practical way of doing the equivalent, unless you owned your own dark room (even back then, I'm sure Truprint would have questioned it if they were developing naked photos of children on a 24 "exposure" film!)

On the subject of mentioning CH, even though it sounds like the events happened post-CH: revenge porn is all too common, so the only thing which made this headline-news was that it gave a newspaper the opportunity to make it somehow look like a "£30k per year Public School" story. Without that element, it simply wouldn't have been news.....

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