Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Bishbashbosh » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:34 pm

In case it isn't clear (I haven't read the various media reports), both found guilty on all counts. Husband will be sentenced first, Dobbie after pre-sentence reports.

Maybe a week for the former, perhaps a month for the latter.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Avon » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:39 pm

When does Karim get the good news?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:42 pm

Spoonbill wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:21 pm
J.R. wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:58 pm
.... and of course, they still have the right of appeal.
....and I'm sure Husband most definitely will. After all, he's the only one with a cat in hell's chance.

I've a sneaking feeling Burr may well be back in court in due course, in connection with incidents which may or may not have occurred on his narrowboat (always provided any OBs actually want to put their heads up above the parapet and admit to having fallen victim).
The fact that Burr was allowed to keep taking boys on his narrow boat was always a mystery to me, especially as we all knew that Webb was suspect.

Any OB's abused on such holidays have decent claims against the school for putting them in a position of danger.
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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by jakew » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:43 pm

Avon wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:25 pm
Hopefully the media will now correctly describe Dobbie as Chaplain to properly identify the magnitude of the abuse of trust that he committed.
Again, the press reports have all repeated this line, which I think comes from the Press Association account of "Day 1".
She reported him to the school’s chaplain but no action was taken. (talking about the complainant in the Husband case)

What the PA reporter - and consequently everyone else who cribbed his "prep" - seems to have missed was that the chaplain in question was the other defendant in the case!

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:46 pm

Avon wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:39 pm
When does Karim get the good news?
JR has pointed out to me that Karim is apparently now being sentenced in August.

My own expectation is that all three will be sentenced together and there will be Probation Reports on all three, which take about four weeks to prepare. So I would expect prize day for all three will be in early August.

Asking around professional colleagues, the rape alone is likely to be worth 15 years imprisonment. Whatever will the Pickering Rotary Club think of such a pillar of the community ?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by J.R. » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:30 pm

richardb wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:46 pm
Avon wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:39 pm
When does Karim get the good news?
JR has pointed out to me that Karim is apparently now being sentenced in August.

My own expectation is that all three will be sentenced together and there will be Probation Reports on all three, which take about four weeks to prepare. So I would expect prize day for all three will be in early August.

Asking around professional colleagues, the rape alone is likely to be worth 15 years imprisonment. Whatever will the Pickering Rotary Club think of such a pillar of the community ?
Perhaps it's considered the norm in Yorkshire.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Chrissie Boy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:07 pm

J.R. wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:30 pm

Perhaps it's considered the norm in Yorkshire.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Avon » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:13 pm

From The School:

https://www.christs-hospital.org.uk/old ... july-2018/

I wish i’d been to the CH they describe, not the one the court heard about.

Poulton, Cairncross, Sillett, Fleming et al - go hang. You absolutely failed in your duty.
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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:15 pm

It is a long trek but I am considering turning up for Husband's sentence next week. Just to hear it for myself.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by Chrissie Boy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:20 pm

I bet they postpone it when the day comes and you end up sitting in a seedy hotel room for another ten days in the sweltering heat, beating the flies off with a rolled-up newspaper while the wallpaper unpeels itself. I get the impression that it's that kind of court.
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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by postwarblue » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:21 pm

At what point do questions get asked (let alone answered) about what reference Shrewsbury received regarding Dobbie and who at CH signed it off?

One hopes for truly deterrent sentences but no doubt there will be special pleading for the criminals.
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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by DazedandConfused » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:35 pm

Has it been reported anywhere which members of staff were witnesses at the trial? Fleming is mentioned but it’s not clear whether he was a witness.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:41 pm

No it hasn't.

Husband was witness number 21, so the prosecution called 20 witnesses.

Witness 20 should have been the officer in the he case which means there were 19 other witnesses.

There was one complainant in relation to Husband and eight in relation to Dobbie.

So we do not know the identity of 10 witnesses.

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by DazedandConfused » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:00 pm

Assuming all witnesses testified-does the witness count include those who might have submitted written testimony or video evidence or only those who appear in person?

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Re: Husband & Dobbie - VERDICTS

Post by richardb » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:04 pm

Witnesses whose evidence is videoed will usually need to attend for cross examination and so will count to the total.

I have a feeling statements which are read do not count.

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