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GRACE
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:33 pm
by CHAZ
Can somebody provide the before and after texts for Grace?
Re: GRACE
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:01 pm
by Katharine
I could recite the one for before without even thinking, but got a bit stuck half way through the second! I found this after a search here, but I'm not certain of the end of the second one, it doesn't sound quite right!
Give us thankful hearts O Lord God
For the table which thou hast spread for us
Bless thy good creatures to our use
And us to thy service.
After:
Blessed Lord,
We yield thee hearty praise and thanksgiving
for our Founder and Benefactors
By whose charitable benevolence
Thou hast refreshed our bodies at this time.
So season and refresh our souls
with thy heavenly spirit,
that we may live to thy honour and glory.
Protect thy Church,the Queen and all the Royal Family,
and preserve us in peace and truth,
through Christ our Saviour.
Re: GRACE
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:43 pm
by CHAZ
Thanks Katherine. Indeed the first seems spot on but the reference to the Royal Family in after meals seems odd and I dot recall it.
Re: GRACE
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:53 pm
by Katharine
The Royal Family was certainly there in Hertford, we longed for the times the reader said OIL the Royal Family instead of ALL! More likely to happen at House tea than in the Dining Hall!
I’ve now looked it up in my Dad’s copy of The Christ’s Hospital Book, the words there match those I gave earlier. Surprisingly the word Grace is not in the index, they are listed in a section at the back of Prayers appointed for the use of the children of CH. this section was reprinted from an edition published in 1900, so the Queen was Victoria!
Re: GRACE
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:36 pm
by MrEd
From memory, and I have wracked my brains over the years without success, but seeing this reminds me, I would remove 'that' after 'table'.
Katharine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:01 pm
I could recite the one for before without even thinking, but got a bit stuck half way through the second! I found this after a search here, but I'm not certain of the end of the second one, it doesn't sound quite right!
Give us thankful hearts O Lord God,
For the table thou hast spread for us.
Bless thy good creatures to our use,
And us to thy service,
For Jesus Christ, His sake,
Amen.
After:
Blessed Lord,
We yield thee hearty praise and thanksgiving
for our Founder and Benefactors
By whose charitable benevolence
Thou hast refreshed our bodies at this time.
So season and refresh our souls
with thy heavenly spirit,
that we may live to thy honour and glory.
Protect thy Church,the Queen and all the Royal Family*,
and preserve us in peace and truth,
through Christ our Saviour.
Amen
To the best of my recollection.
* (perhaps add "
from the attentions of the Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York'?
Re: GRACE
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:37 pm
by seajayuu
My memory of first grace chimes with yours Katharine. Maybe there was a Hertford/Horsham anomaly?
Re: GRACE
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:20 pm
by rockfreak
If you were an atheist, what sort of a grace would you compose? And would it include thanks for skiffage pie?
Re: GRACE
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:04 pm
by rockfreak
Grace seems to centre on God.
But suppose it was some other bod?
Dawkins and Darwin
Said his role was non-starrin'
And the law was just down to old Sod.
Re: GRACE
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:14 pm
by Katharine
I think Mr Ed is right with the ending of the first grace for Jesus Christ his sake, but I’ll definitely stick with the word which rather than that!
Re: GRACE
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:08 am
by William
Comments on the Horsham Grace have to include mention of the occasion, during my time at CH, when the Grecian saying Grace (as usual speaking from the pulpit about 6 feet above the rest of us) simply mouthed it, while the Grace was said by another person on the floor below him. It was not detected, except presumably by persons standing close to the pulpit.
I think this has already been mentioned elsewhere in the Forum.
Re: GRACE
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:38 am
by Pe.A
William wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:08 am
Comments on the Horsham Grace have to include mention of the occasion, during my time at CH, when the Grecian saying Grace (as usual speaking from the pulpit about 6 feet above the rest of us) simply mouthed it, while the Grace was said by another person on the floor below him. It was not detected, except presumably by persons standing close to the pulpit.
I think this has already been mentioned elsewhere in the Forum.
er...why...?
Re: GRACE
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:19 pm
by dsm
Why not? It's an anecdote. I remember in my time someone covered up the Grace with a note saying It's not your lucky day. The Grecian in question calmly took out a diary and read it.
Re: GRACE
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:39 am
by Pe.A
dsm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:19 pm
Why not? It's an anecdote. I remember in my time someone covered up the Grace with a note saying It's not your lucky day. The Grecian in question calmly took out a diary and read it.
I'll rephrase myself. Why was someone saying grace in place of the person in the pulpit?
Re: GRACE
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:02 am
by dsm
A prank, I imagine.
Re: GRACE
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:45 pm
by scrub
I'm impressed anyone can remember that much of them!
I fairly sure I couldn't have repeated them while I was there and my only memories of it now are trying not to get caught messing around during, and the occasional time the lunch master(?)/monitor/the one with the gavel, made the Grecian read it again because people weren't paying attention, were still eating, or otherwise screwing around.