SHOULD WE..........................

[Hannoir]

so, Vonny, JR et. al, are you saying, that by being young, we have had it easy? Sure, we won't have had as long to live life, so to speak, but to say all because you are young you don't have a clue....thats harsh....

[peter2095]

Seconded - Hit the nail on the head hannoir

[Mid A 15]

so, Vonny, JR et. al, are you saying, that by being young, we have had it easy? Sure, we won't have had as long to live life, so to speak, but to say all because you are young you don't have a clue....thats harsh....

I don't think anybody intended to cast aspersions at the young!

Peter (I'm paraphrasing so bear with me) suggested that certain people were looking down on immigrants in an attitude more appropiate to Eton than Housie.

I think JR and others were simply pointing out that they too had seen the rough side of life and thus were not approaching the issue from a "snobby" perspective which they may have felt Peter implied in his earlier post.

[peter2095]

Mid A

Please may i refer you to the Thread Conspiracy Theory especiall JR comment on Page 2

He is saying that because we are young then we don't understand.

I was trying to throw abit of wit into that, however, what sejintenej said about times being tough, then you would think, that they would understand what life the real immigrants are running from.

I aplogiesed to all those people who i called a snob that aren't. However, People looking down on each other is just plain wrong

[Mid A 15]

Mid A

Please may i refer you to the Thread Conspiracy Theory especiall JR comment on Page 2

He is saying that because we are young then we don't understand.

I was trying to throw abit of wit into that, however, what sejintenej said about times being tough, then you would think, that they would understand what life the real immigrants are running from.

I aplogiesed to all those people who i called a snob that aren't. However, People looking down on each other is just plain wrong

Having read the thread I have to agree with you that it does seem unnecessary to mention your age.

As another (slightly younger) old fart it occurs to me though that he may have been trying to say that one becomes more patriotic the older you get. I know that is certainly true in my own case as I've learned more history and visited War fields in Belgium and France.

Only JR himself can say for sure though.

As an aside what happened in your day re history at CH? In my time you could only do "O" level (GCSE) if you decided to study it for "A" level. As a result I was relatively ignorant in history when I left CH and have picked up most of what I know subsequently.

This is not intended as a dig so don't take it as such but if your history experience is anything like mine was you will have been pretty ignorant about your heritage on leaving CH.

You're going to tell me you're studying history at Oxford or Cambridge aren't you?

[Vonny]

Seconded - Hit the nail on the head hannoir

I don't think she has - I'm only 37, is that considered old?

[Hannoir]

Seconded - Hit the nail on the head hannoir

I don't think she has - I'm only 37, is that considered old?

no - but old enough to be considered "not a youngster" and having "life experience" which seems to be the divide here.


and mid a 15, ive become less patriotic as i've got older!

[Mid A 15]

Seconded - Hit the nail on the head hannoir

I don't think she has - I'm only 37, is that considered old?

no - but old enough to be considered "not a youngster" and having "life experience" which seems to be the divide here.


and mid a 15, ive become less patriotic as i've got older!

There's always an exception to prove the rule

[peter2095]

You're going to tell me you're studying history at Oxford or Cambridge aren't you?

Unfortunately not Mid A. I hope you didn't take what i said as a dig to you? As i did not take what you said as a dig

[peter2095]

I don't think she has - I'm only 37, is that considered old?

no - but old enough to be considered "not a youngster" and having "life experience" which seems to be the divide here.


and mid a 15, ive become less patriotic as i've got older!

There's always an exception to prove the rule

You might want to add me to the exception aswell

[blondie95]

We all think what we think for whatever reason, no one needs to justify reasons and no one should think that they are right above others or anything!

Yes its a good debate and fascinating to see all the view points but rather than everyone start taking it personally-just remember we are all entitled to our own opinions-which to me is part of our culture!

And i do think that I being the age I am have got a lot more 'life experiences' to come and that I haven't had many as yet!

[midget]

It seems to me that we should sort out ALL layabouts (and Imspeak as one who has such a person in the family. Every time I walk down into town to shop, there is a crowd outside "the social" of clearly able-bodied people who should be working. There are jobs available here, probably not jobs that they would like to do, but I like the American idea of Workfare, where if a job is available you take it.

[peter2095]

It seems to me that we should sort out ALL layabouts (and Imspeak as one who has such a person in the family. Every time I walk down into town to shop, there is a crowd outside "the social" of clearly able-bodied people who should be working. There are jobs available here, probably not jobs that they would like to do, but I like the American idea of Workfare, where if a job is available you take it.

Seconded and Thirded

[sejintenej]

Mid A

Please may i refer you to the Thread Conspiracy Theory especiall JR comment on Page 2

He is saying that because we are young then we don't understand.

I was trying to throw abit of wit into that, however, what sejintenej said about times being tough, then you would think, that they would understand what life the real immigrants are running from.

I aplogiesed to all those people who i called a snob that aren't. However, People looking down on each other is just plain wrong

In theisw modern day and age yooungsters brought up in this country don't know what hunger is - the state feeds them if they want. They don't know what cold is - they are brought up with heating in their houses, they have TVs, Nike shoes etc etc.

Yes, I can understand what the Eastern Europeans are fleeing and I can also understand that they are prepared to actually do something about it; I have given my comments about them.

I had a neighbour whose daughter deliberately got herself pregnant because she was then entitled to a free council apartment. The council then put brand new furniture in it, provided the baby clothes, food .......... ad infinitum. That was 1976 - she still has never worked one hour in her life. That girl knew she was on to a good thing and it is people like us who have to pay for her. (BTW - her father was the deputy headmaster of a state school who objected to the concept of schools being expected to teach basic mathematics).

[cj]

In theisw modern day and age yooungsters brought up in this country don't know what hunger is - the state feeds them if they want. They don't know what cold is - they are brought up with heating in their houses,...

The welfare state is one of the things that makes me feel lucky to live in this country, that whatever may befall one, there is a basic package to fall back on if there is no support coming from family etc. and there are lots of genuine reasons why people can't work - I was one of those for a short time in my mid 20s. I think it's terribly sad that there is an expectation for some people that benefit is all there is to aspire to. Apart from the financial remuneration work gives, there's also the sense of feeling part of something (organisation or community), giving of yourself and your abilities whatever they may be, receiving respect and providing for those who depend on you. It doesn't help that the government are bribing youngsters to stay in school and finish their education. There is too much emphasis on money being the reward in life.