graham wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:16 pm
David, these are all very nice examples of cases that related to the actions of individuals or specific organizations. I don't deny that biases and prejudice exist outside of the realm that the Black Lives Matter movement is focused on. I want to go back to my original question though. My position is that systemic racism is this cause of the low representation of British Black people in positions of power with the UK. There are alternative possible explanations. What position do you take? And what, if anything, do you think should be done to deal with this?
I will throw in another position that I take. I do not believe that racist behavior has to involve conscious dislike/ discrimination. Well-intentioned people can unintentionally propogate systemic racism. In fact, people of color can unintentionally propogate systemic racism. I don't attribute any intent to these actions. I just want to know what you think about this.
Not sure how to take your second para; you seem to be damning the idea of employing people just to get the proportions right???? When I had tlo choose applicants I would choose honesty first (willingness to admit error for example), then ability to get on with the many types of people in the office (which suggests they would be good dealing with clients), ability / open to learning - they had to commit to and receptive learn Portuguese (the bank arranged and paid for lessons). We had a very very low turnover of staff despite what must have looked like a rapid decision - two short interviews
take the role of the various deities, politicians, teachers, priests and their equivalents, parents, kids, the judiciary and foreign leaders. Anything that anyone suggests is by definition anathema to everyone else so, flak jacket on, here goes.
I have already stated that I consider "culture" in its widest form a basic.
1. Define the final outcome, Do you want everybody to be kind and polite and helpful to everybody's grannies and pet mouses or do you want to go to a loud mouthed foul language using yob culture of "everybody for himself and f**k everyone else or something in between? Define what you want and you will have Putin, angie-girl Merkel and the Chump all over you.
2. Clean up the law. There is an excellent series of novels about he taming of Mars, it's independence war ..... They had the opportunity to start from the beginning and the law calls for "common sense" in everything. You burn yourself on a cup of coffee commonsense says that coffee is hot. Therefore it is nobody else's fault and responsibility. The floor is damp and you slip - common sense says you should have avoided the place or been careful and the shopkeeper is not liable unless it is proven that he deliberately hurt you. You either commit an offence or you did not; no mitigating circumstances allowed. That should cut each case to 30 minutes and each offence has a terrifying punishment and no time off for good behaviour. They are merciful; sentences start at 5 years and with a life sentence the prisoner is offered a suicide pill.
3. Re teach teachers in the new culture. Take them from their own area and put them far away (French style). Move them around every five years so they cannot create a sub culture. Frequent overseeing checks.
4. One language and only one allowed with the same grammar and pronunciation from the Gorbals to Land End to Cockneyland - enforced.
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5. Two minimal standards to leave school - one academic and one trade. In my day CH enforced the rule that you left with an absolute minimum of 5 GCE O levels. It can be achieved, even by many dyslexics and standards then were far higher..
6. Everybody responsible for what they do or fail to do. Example, Crossrail was due to be completes 2 years ago but now it might be next year; the bosses and the civil servants who failed to call them out at the start got it wrong so crucify them in the face of public hate. You could be justified by bringing in some of the responsible underlings as well. For a start fine them the salaries they have been paid since 2018.
7. Support those who try to create jobs and employment by immediate approvals, help ,etc - don't wait for a committee to be called the year after next.
8 Then make a plan as to how you are going to achieve it and tell the commies to shut up!!!!
9 Find a desert island where you will not be found.