Did anyone know?

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Re: Did anyone know?

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Got away with it so far.

But the wheels of justice grind on.

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ALKR wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:58 pm
Of course they knew! I have been given some reliable inside information that it was an open secret in the staff common room. It was joked about, they all knew who was up to it. They colluded. Also... the same source told me that it was known among Oxbridge graduate circles that if you had certain predilections, and you wanted easy access where you could get away with it, CH was the place to apply for a job. Employment at CH was a perfect career move for them. The fact that so many children were from vulnerable backgrounds and that we were all being sponsored added to the toxic dynamic. Because if you'd been told that this was a very special opportunity and that you were lucky to be there, if your parents couldn't afford to send you to a regular fee-paying school, then maybe you might not make a fuss.

I was surprised to hear about Rev Porteous, but it did jog my memory about a certain incident. I used to be in his class for 'divinity' on the 3rd form, it would have been '82/'83. He arranged for us to all go to Horsham swimming pool at the last lesson of term. I remember thinking why is he taking us swimming when we had a perfectly good swimming pool on the school grounds anyway? Then in the pool he homed in on a few of the smaller, less mature, less savvy kids (probably prettier) and he was horsing around getting very physical. I remember it crossed a line into something very weird and although the pool was largely empty other than us, there was a couple of local teenage girls observing the whole thing with a look of total horror and disgust. I remember clocking them, watching them react and then realising that something was very, very wrong. I was too naive to conclude that the entire expedition, of removing us from the school grounds and getting us in the pool, was actually deviously manipulated for his gratification only.

I'm sure we haven't heard the last of it, I wouldn't be at all surprised if more court cases follow. There seems to me some glaring omissions from that list of convictions... some of the worst offenders got away with it.
If this is true then surely the almost unique vulnerability of CH pupils sets the school apart from other private schools and warrants a proper investigation?

That's a very odd story which I hadn't heard.

He took us up to London in the minibus and it was riotous.

"You bender" was one insult shouted at an unsuspecting motorist in London traffic.

He was a bit touchy feely, touching you on the head etc but I put that down to his warm personality.

I liked him and I visited his house several times with another boy for confirmation prep and always had a glass of wine and nothing untoward.

He did of course live with his wife and daughter.

Going back to "who knew?"

The documentary on Ball now proves he was part of a network

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Re: Did anyone know?

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Interesting - both John Rodgers in his book of 1938 and Martin Stephen (one of this country's most eminent Head Masters) in his book of 2018 state that the reason CH has the worst reputation for physical abuse is because the parents had no way of complaining about it - they were mostly poor or in hard times etc.

Now could this apply to Sexual abuse? I think so. In the later period (1990's onward) when complaints were made to the school there was a clear cover up attitude.

I think that the only way to really understand what happened is for the school (like St Paul's) to hold its own Inquiry which can be private rather than public but with a commitment that the final report is released publicly with any necessary redaction.

I have already asked for this and have been advised that there are no intentions of this happening at the moment. I will now re-request this in the light both of the Ball issues and what was revealed in the St. Paul's report.

Just waiting on some other information!
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ALKR wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:58 pm
Of course they knew! I have been given some reliable inside information that it was an open secret in the staff common room. It was joked about, they all knew who was up to it. They colluded. Also... the same source told me that it was known among Oxbridge graduate circles that if you had certain predilections, and you wanted easy access where you could get away with it, CH was the place to apply for a job. Employment at CH was a perfect career move for them. The fact that so many children were from vulnerable backgrounds and that we were all being sponsored added to the toxic dynamic. Because if you'd been told that this was a very special opportunity and that you were lucky to be there, if your parents couldn't afford to send you to a regular fee-paying school, then maybe you might not make a fuss.

I was surprised to hear about Rev Porteous, but it did jog my memory about a certain incident. I used to be in his class for 'divinity' on the 3rd form, it would have been '82/'83. He arranged for us to all go to Horsham swimming pool at the last lesson of term. I remember thinking why is he taking us swimming when we had a perfectly good swimming pool on the school grounds anyway? Then in the pool he homed in on a few of the smaller, less mature, less savvy kids (probably prettier) and he was horsing around getting very physical. I remember it crossed a line into something very weird and although the pool was largely empty other than us, there was a couple of local teenage girls observing the whole thing with a look of total horror and disgust. I remember clocking them, watching them react and then realising that something was very, very wrong. I was too naive to conclude that the entire expedition, of removing us from the school grounds and getting us in the pool, was actually deviously manipulated for his gratification only.

I'm sure we haven't heard the last of it, I wouldn't be at all surprised if more court cases follow. There seems to me some glaring omissions from that list of convictions... some of the worst offenders got away with it.
Could you pls elaborate on: "Of course they knew!"? Who is they etc...? "reliable inside information"...?
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Re: Did anyone know?

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Of course they knew! I have been given some reliable inside information that it was an open secret in the staff common room. It was joked about, they all knew who was up to it. They colluded. Also... the same source told me that it was known among Oxbridge graduate circles that if you had certain predilections, and you wanted easy access where you could get away with it, CH was the place to apply for a job.
This is very believable, disturbing, and most likely true, but it would be very useful to have something a little more concrete, as Pe.A. said.

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