Here's a hypothetical

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Blimey. I seem to have stirred up a hornets nest here.

Yes, the feeling was one of embarrassment, and we coped with it in a very British way. We had coffee and toast around his kitchen table in the morning, as if nothing had ever happened. I also remember feeling “well at least he didn’t try that while I was at school”. I agree - in isolation - It was a pass on an older man, that was rebuffed. No harm done.

I think that they were just getting going in ‘86. Dobbie only arrived in ‘85/‘86 and we all knew he was a wrong ‘un Then. We had a bit of school boy doggerel about him:

“His name is Gary Dobbs,
And he likes throat swabs (fnnaarr)
He is a naughty vicar,
And he likes the smell of knickers”

I can’t remember the rest of it - but we obviously knew he was bad. There were no rumours about McCall at that time. None. That was why I assumed it was just a pass at an older bloke, that didn’t matter. I think Dobbie was the catalyst that turned McCall from latent to active. Only in hindsight 30 years later with all of the information do I now possibly see it for what it was, the start of a habit that would come to fruition 8 years later.

You could play the “ what if” game here. Would I have been believed/taken seriously by the school or police in 1986/7. I doubt it - no harm was done. It might have scared him off, but again - I doubt it - Dobbie was too influential.

I’m going to finish my posts with this one as I’m not sure (understandably) that the tenor of the debate is entirely impartial.

This thread began with Lenny saying he was bullied because he wouldn’t join in the McCall drinking sessions . We have heard from Bill that he didn’t join in either, yet he wasn’t bullied, and neither Bill nor I recognise the culture that Lenny describes of Maine A in ‘85/‘86. I agree with Bill that if Lenny was bullied, it wasn’t because of McCall’s drinking sessions. It could just have been simple, nasty kids. For which I am sorry.

Lenny also said that he would be happy to see the school turned into cheap flats. While this reaction is fully understandable in Lenny’s case, he wants revenge- I disagree. We are in danger of forgetting the thousands of lives that have been fundamentally changed for the better by the education they received there (such as mine). There are also thousands of lives in the future that can be changed by the school. If we allow, or worse encourage the school to be ruined or closed by these dreadful, Abusive Masters - won’t they really have won?

Please believe me - I am not some sort of apologist for the school - I was a minor witness in the Roger Martin case (which is where I heard about this forum), and was over the moon when he got everything he deserved.

I certainly benefited absolutely by everything I experienced at CH. As long as the new regime is foolproof in the child protection stakes, the school has to continue taking Children who would not have opportunity, giving them that chance and sending them out into the world for a better and brighter future.

The concept of CH can be such a force for good, yes, we need to sort out the dreadful problems of the past, but not forget to look forward to the brighter future for as yet, unborn generations.

Peter
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richardb wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:34 pm
Your case isn't thin. It was a sexual assault on you. End of.

Where do you think McCall is living?
He's in South Africa

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richardb wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:50 pm
McCall's name keeps coming up.

He appears to have either died or gone abroad.

One can't help thinking he will be happy to be as elusive as Lord Lucan.
McCall is living in South Africa. I have this on the authority of the Police, when I reported him for sexual assault a couple of years ago
If enough people want him extradited, they need to put pressure on Horsham police.

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In response to all speculation on his whereabouts, I can confirm that McCall was in South Africa up until three years ago, no doubt fulfilling his predilections...

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The fact that McCall is still alive has been confirmed from other sources. I am sure Sussex Police have a cup of instant coffee and a microwave meal ready for his return.

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McCall I believe is alive and well. The last info that I got was he was in Thailand but that may have been for a visit. If he is in RSA then he will only be allowed there for a 3 month period at a time which he can extend to 6 months - but you have to leave for 2 weeks (that was the rule back in 2006 when I had a restaurant in the Western Cape) and then re-enter.

Swaziland and Lesotho have different rules. In 2008 you had to have an investment of £2 million Rand to be able to apply for Residency (at that time that was about £200k). I think it's now about R5million but with the drop in the rand he could do that, I guess. You have to prove income as well, such as a pension.

If he is there it will be a nightmare for the police to get him extradited. The entire legal system in RSA is corrupt and based on money. It took us R860 (about £86) to get a Licence for the restaurant. No checks no nothing - the person doing it got 25% the authorities (police) 25% and the balance went to the Government where about 5% was actually given to the exchequer and the rest dished out to officials.

Paper work over there is less efficient than in the 19th C.

McCall's name has come up time and again: I only remember him as drunk most of the time in Mid A. But there were suspicions.

I have just attended Neil Simms Memorial Service and ERM came up in discussions afterwards and not for the right reasons, so to speak.

This is not very helpful but there are others who are trying to bring some of the other perpetrators to justice - it takes time and one hell of a lot of evidence! Trust me I know as whilst Burr pleaded guilty to some of his actions against me he did not to the critical one (the worst) and the matter remains on file unless someone else can corroborate the evidence.

Of course if CH was a bit more open and honest (and trust me they have not been) then perhaps records could be forthcoming which would aid the police.

I have spent over two years looking at these issues - it is a minefield!
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I hope McCall is found before he gasps his pathetic last. I think he might be the most prolific of the lot, typically the worst evade their comeuppance. What can we do?
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ALKR wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:52 am
richardb wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:50 pm
McCall's name keeps coming up.

He appears to have either died or gone abroad.

One can't help thinking he will be happy to be as elusive as Lord Lucan.
McCall is living in South Africa. I have this on the authority of the Police, when I reported him for sexual assault a couple of years ago
If enough people want him extradited, they need to put pressure on Horsham police.
Hi ALKR

Thanks for this brave post and for reporting Ernest McCall.

Is there any information about his whereabouts in South Africa or an online trace of the same? Were Sussex Police not willing to consider extradition proceedings?

Is there any why the forum can help? i.e.

publicise and evidence his whereabouts in South Africa? Including making the South African public aware of his whereabouts and the convictions of many of McCall's former colleagues (he is of course at this time an innocent man). They may take a view of whether they wish to continue to host him?

contacting MPs / Chief Constable etc re the same?

Maybe McCall needs a thread of his own.

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LHA wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:18 am
ALKR wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:52 am
richardb wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:50 pm
McCall's name keeps coming up.

He appears to have either died or gone abroad.

One can't help thinking he will be happy to be as elusive as Lord Lucan.
McCall is living in South Africa. I have this on the authority of the Police, when I reported him for sexual assault a couple of years ago
If enough people want him extradited, they need to put pressure on Horsham police.
Hi ALKR

Thanks for this brave post and for reporting Ernest McCall.

Is there any information about his whereabouts in South Africa or an online trace of the same? Were Sussex Police not willing to consider extradition proceedings?

Is there any why the forum can help? i.e.

publicise and evidence his whereabouts in South Africa? Including making the South African public aware of his whereabouts and the convictions of many of McCall's former colleagues (he is of course at this time an innocent man). They may take a view of whether they wish to continue to host him?

contacting MPs / Chief Constable etc re the same?

Maybe McCall needs a thread of his own.

You're more than welcome to start one. It seems there are many references to the said person.

Just remember the legal implications in your wording. J.R.
John Rutley. Prep B & Coleridge B. 1958-1963.

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A WARNING TO ALL

If allegations against a perpetrator are advertised either on this site or in the press it can have an influence on whether the person can face trial.

Be careful. We may all think that McCall may have done things but he remains innocent until proven guilty and only the courts can do that.

The fact that I think he is undoubtedly guilty as much as Winnie our dog of stealing her treats on a regular basis, does not mean he is.

I can say the police are aware of him. Wait and see.

Rob
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On the same theme but different person was it ever determined whether or not 'the man with the white jaguar' was still alive?
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