prison releases

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Re: prison releases

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AMP wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:16 pm
I don't think prisoners should be tagged, they should serve their time.

It's not a punishment
And if the prisons are too full, then sentence them to less time.
But let's not pretend that justice is served or we are being tough on crime by tagging them.
I understand it provides flexibility, incentivises good behaviour, reduces the prison bill - but that is an endightment of the system.
And if they are so dangerous they need to be monitored, then don't release them.
We know from Mr Jeffrey Weinstein that they are unreliable. He DID NOT remove his tag. Unfortunately the battery died.
I am one of the hated ?majority who feel that prison should be feared, the idea of the second sentence cause terror and the Americans are right over the third.
I would actually go further; if a person is tried AND CONVICTED for one offence and then tried (even at the same time) for an identical offence then that would be the second etc. As for TV, internet, phones etc, trips outside - you are joking; they are there to be punished, not mollycoddled. I would encourage proper education for a career outside after they do the full time. If they don't obey the rules in prison then add time - a a penalty for their crimes?

Just think of those who assaulted boys at CH; do you really want them to live in comfort at your expense for their crimes?
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Re: prison releases

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sejintenej wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:58 pm
AMP wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:16 pm
I don't think prisoners should be tagged, they should serve their time.

It's not a punishment
And if the prisons are too full, then sentence them to less time.
But let's not pretend that justice is served or we are being tough on crime by tagging them.
I understand it provides flexibility, incentivises good behaviour, reduces the prison bill - but that is an endightment of the system.
And if they are so dangerous they need to be monitored, then don't release them.
We know from Mr Jeffrey Weinstein that they are unreliable. He DID NOT remove his tag. Unfortunately the battery died.
I am one of the hated ?majority who feel that prison should be feared, the idea of the second sentence cause terror and the Americans are right over the third.
I would actually go further; if a person is tried AND CONVICTED for one offence and then tried (even at the same time) for an identical offence then that would be the second etc. As for TV, internet, phones etc, trips outside - you are joking; they are there to be punished, not mollycoddled. I would encourage proper education for a career outside after they do the full time. If they don't obey the rules in prison then add time - a a penalty for their crimes?

Just think of those who assaulted boys at CH; do you really want them to live in comfort at your expense for their crimes?
Alas but for unlimited resources like in the states, yes, although they have gone too far.
Slightest infraction, put someone in solitary for 5 years is commonplace there.
There's plenty of room and if not just build another prison.
No need to worry about containing unrest, just isolate the area via the control room and watch until the fight is over, like gladiators - Troy Kell.
If a prison officer is taken hostage, don't negotiate, just evacuate all staff and let them get on with it, but don't hurt him, otherwise we move in - New Mexico Penetentiary Riot 1980. POs are far better protected in the states
The US ironically reserves it's toughest prison for non violent criminals as well.
All the spies are housed in the super max ADX Florence situated within sight of the Rockies but where the punishments are particularly vindictive.
The ceilings and roofs are designed in such a way as to prevent inmates from ever seeing the sky.

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Re: prison releases

Post by Bishbashbosh »

Been some time since I was on here, even as a lurker.

Dobbie tried to appeal to reduce his sentence from 12 to 10 years. This was refused. Still July 2024.

I don't know anything about any others.
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thanks for the info Bish, hope you are well. Glad his appeal against his lenient sentence was turned down. Did he appeal against just his sentence or his conviction as well. Would be interesting to see a copy if available.

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I can't find it at the moment but will keep looking.

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Do people think any of the CH prisoners will be released early? Their release isn't 'imminent' however as elderly prisoners, they are at risk from coronovirus. The first prisoner to sadly die the UK was an elderly sex offender, very similar demographic.

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LHA wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:28 pm
Do people think any of the CH prisoners will be released early? Their release isn't 'imminent' however as elderly prisoners, they are at risk from coronovirus. The first prisoner to sadly die the UK was an elderly sex offender, very similar demographic.
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Re: prison releases

Post by richardb »

Webb won't.

Those in open prison are not particularly high risk.

So far as those in other prisons are concerned, I think they will release prisoners serving very short sentences who can be supervised for a short period in the community.

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