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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:12 pm
by midget
J.R. wrote:Mr A. Hitler and Mr. H. Goering thought they would bomb us into submission and didn't.
What chance does a fundamentalist who only managed to set fire to himself honestly have ?
This great country of ours, (Yes, I think I can still say that), is renowned worldwide for its back-bone and spirit and our S.A.S, is feared and respected in every country in the world.
I agree, John. We all have to behave as normally as possible, and cut the amount of press speculation.
Maggie
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:03 pm
by cj
sejintenej wrote:I agree entirely with the suggested sentiment that the media should ignore all attacks totally;
This is a good philosophical argument - if you don't know about it then does it exist? It would be one way of taking the wind out of the sails of any would-be terrorist. But I don't know how one could apply that objectively to any given incident. After all, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, eg. Nelson Mandela. Individually the answer would be to avoid the TV, radio bulletins and newspapers but that annexes all the good things that happen in the world.
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:22 pm
by marty
midget wrote:J.R. wrote:Mr A. Hitler and Mr. H. Goering thought they would bomb us into submission and didn't.
What chance does a fundamentalist who only managed to set fire to himself honestly have ?
This great country of ours, (Yes, I think I can still say that), is renowned worldwide for its back-bone and spirit and our S.A.S, is feared and respected in every country in the world.
I agree, John. We all have to behave as normally as possible, and cut the amount of press speculation.
Maggie
When has JR ever been known to 'behave normally' ?!!!!!!
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:34 am
by eloisec
cj wrote:Does anyone else feel like that or do you all say s0d them and carry on regardless?
yep, we carry on regardless. did after 7/7 (I work near Russell Square) and do now.
you have to look at it realistically. the chances of anything happening to you are so remote that it can't stop you getting on with things.
then again easy for me to say when I don't have children to look after.
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:05 am
by ben ashton
Hopefully I'm going to make it down to CH on Saturday, last time I tried it was just after 7/7 and arriving at St. Pancras/crossing London on the tube would have been so much fun that I didn't bother. This time it will be 7/7!
So to any jihadists reading this, please wait until after 2pm when I will have safely arrived at the Bax..
(incidentally they seem to have a website now:
http://www.baxcastle.co.uk/ )
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:45 am
by J.R.
ben ashton wrote:Hopefully I'm going to make it down to CH on Saturday, last time I tried it was just after 7/7 and arriving at St. Pancras/crossing London on the tube would have been so much fun that I didn't bother. This time it will be 7/7!
So to any jihadists reading this, please wait until after 2pm when I will have safely arrived at the Bax..
(incidentally they seem to have a website now:
http://www.baxcastle.co.uk/ )
Have you asked El Plummo if he wants you to reserve a garden table for him for lunch ? They can be very hard to come by on certain days !
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:09 pm
by cj
ben ashton wrote:So to any jihadists reading this, please wait until after 2pm when I will have safely arrived at the Bax..
I'm sure they will be generous enough to accomodate your personal travel plans into any murderous scheme that might be in the offing.
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:56 pm
by cstegerlewis
ben ashton wrote:So to any jihadists reading this, please wait until after 2pm when I will have safely arrived at the Bax..
(incidentally
they seem to have a website now:
http://www.baxcastle.co.uk/ )
Ah so the evil ones are hiding their web communications behind a quiet country pub in the sussex countryside
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:53 pm
by sejintenej
cj wrote:sejintenej wrote:I agree entirely with the suggested sentiment that the media should ignore all attacks totally;
This is a good philosophical argument - if you don't know about it then does it exist? It would be one way of taking the wind out of the sails of any would-be terrorist. But I don't know how one could apply that objectively to any given incident. After all, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, eg. Nelson Mandela. Individually the answer would be to avoid the TV, radio bulletins and newspapers but that annexes all the good things that happen in the world.
Perfectly sound argument which forces one to get off the fence and decide whether you want to be meat for Muslim bombs or the sword of Damocles hanging over those Muslims who do not toe the "British" line.
It was mentioned that in the 80's the IRA and Sinn Fein could not be allowed to put their propaganda on the TV and radio; perfectly reasonable precedent to follow.
I was interested to hear that the government has suggested to Mosques that they do not go to up-country Pakistan to recruit their Imams; seems amazing that Imams are not trained in the UK. (Over here the training of any religeous leaders is not allowed so they import radical Imams from Saudi Arabia - and seem to be regretting that)
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:10 pm
by englishangel
Just watching an old "Have I got News for you" on UKTV (from about 6/7 months ago) and that red-haired doctor is on it. One of his comments was that you could be a locum in the NHS for years and no-one would say a word "as I was saying to Dr Bin Laden only the other day". I wonder if they put that one on deliberately or if it just coincidence.
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:44 am
by Richard Ruck
sejintenej wrote:It was mentioned that in the 80's the IRA and Sinn Fein could not be allowed to put their propaganda on the TV and radio; perfectly reasonable precedent to follow.
As long as this happens in a somewhat less farcical way. I'm sure everyone remembers the ludicrous spectacle of Gerry Adams and co. appearing on news reports with actors speaking their words, as we were not permitted to hear their voices.
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:05 pm
by J.R.
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:28 pm
by cj
There was a very interesting article in The Observer on Sunday, written by a guy who used to be a member of one of the jihadist groups and has now renounced it, about why young Muslims are 'joining up'.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/ ... 32,00.html
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:49 pm
by ben ashton
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:21 pm
by J.R.
Great news but I can't help but wonder if this isn't just Hamas trying to placate the West because someone is wise enough to see what will happen if the fundamentalists carry on the way they are !
