Repeal major detrimental changes at Christ's Hospital

[NEILL THE NOTORIOUS]

I think we can all see, why I left this Topic some time ago !

[NEILL THE NOTORIOUS]

I think we can all see why I left this Topic, some time ago !

A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, a great deal of it is absolutely fatal !
--------Oscar Wilde

[favouritethings]

Spartacist is a name that conjures up images of a revolting slave (if you see what I mean) or a member of an underground left wing movement in Germany many years ago. Your choice of this name may be for completely different reasons.

Anyway, without wanting to sound or to be patronising, but probably likely to be accused of both, this strikes me as a case of a young man recently starting law studies and getting a bit carried away with the whole thing.

I speak on behalf of the current blues that reaped the benefit of CH under Dr Southern

You do? What kind of mandate do you have?

Much of this is trivial, and has been acknowledged as such (which begs the question 'why bother?'), but the sex issue is certainly not.

If you would seriously consider kicking your child out for having sex with their respective partner.... Well, say no more. I need not.

Kicking your child out of the house is hardly comparable to allowing him/her to be suspended or expelled from school. Trying to make the one sound like the other may be an indication of how good a lawyer you will one day be, but it won't wash here.

favouritethings said:

I don't believe that kids should just be allowed to spread the seed all over the place at school. But I just think this suffocating attitude is way too far.

So you agree that a laissez faire attitude is inappropriate, but think that the current rules are too strict? Then where do you draw the line? Mondays and Fridays only? Between the hours of 6-8 pm?

Sex may be legal if you are 16 or over, but it's not illegal to smoke either, or to walk on the grass. Most school rules don't cover legalities. I don't see the Court of Human Rights getting involved.

I can fully understand prospective and current parents having concerns over this particular issue, and I would suggest that recent Old Blues leave things well alone. If students are so unhappy with the current restrictive and inhumane regime they will presumably ask their parents to remove them. That's when the 'powers that be' might take some interest.

Your joking notion of the sexual timetable is somewhat humorous, although I think the actual as opposed to sarcastic solution is obvious. Some teachers currently at the school go looking for such things. I am not saying to turn a blind eye to it, but I recall being told to put my feet up on the ground when I was sitting with a boy on the sofa. I think expulsion is extreme. I think suspension is far more effective. Expelling someone for having sexual intercourse and thus disrupting their education, is ludicrous.

You are telling me you honestly believe that two children should be expelled for having sex? Dealing drugs to other kids I understand: they are harming themselves perhaps and others.The grass issue...ludicrous. There is actually a point to telling people not to walk on the grass (obviously) that the grass doesn't get ruined. What is so wrong with people who are 16 having sex? Yes they should be focusing on schoolwork and yes there could be the risk of pregnance and stds, but hopefulyl children at ch recieve sufficent education that they know these issues and act responsibly. I don't think the whole school should be allowed to have sex scot-free but I think it shouldn't be made into such a heinous crime and I CERTAINLY dont believe children should face expulsion.

Smoking: yellow card.

simple as.

[favouritethings]

and yes, I am done with the sex thing too shane, clearly we won't see eye to eye with other individuals who (with no offence meant) are, should we say, maturer than us, then obviously take a completely different view.

Unfortunately, my mother takes the same view and I find that with regards to my younger brother, he will forever be stifled but I hope to god he just does what he wants to do, acts responsibly but doesn't live his teen years worried about this that and the other regarding trouble he might be in with parents and school.

[favouritethings]

and yes, I am done with the sex thing too shane, clearly we won't see eye to eye with other individuals who (with no offence meant) are, should we say, maturer than us, then obviously take a completely different view.

Unfortunately, my mother takes the same view and I find that with regards to my younger brother, he will forever be stifled but I hope to god he just does what he wants to do, acts responsibly but doesn't live his teen years worried about this that and the other regarding trouble he might be in with parents and school.

and all of that above just meant that I don't believe children should live in fear. I think people need to be more open-minded with tem. Hard handed discipline is not always effective.

[02juddra]

Hot off the press

The Rock Concert will run ..... with a selection of bands drawn from the UF to Grecian year groups being auditioned .... over the next few weeks.

so you see, it`s not just for Grecians` bands!

i am currently at CH and while the email from vessey may say this from my friends throughout the seniors i have spoken to the UF etc are only allowed if the are in a band with a grecians, essentially making it for most people a grecians only event in terms of band, plus Mr Vessey also has promised less staff members there which i don't see happening as from my experience the new SMT, Vessey and Franklin seem to love trying to fine people breaking the rules and seem to go out of their way to find people doing this, fair enough if some1 is off their heads at the event then catch them punish them etc, but to go out of their way is extreme and what im afraid is actually happening. And in support of shane, he does have some form of a mandate as most current blues support his petition, and the only reason why it isn't coming from inside the school is as a result into the investigation into the Housey Peaceful revolution group, people are too afraid to speak out for fear of punishment

[dinahcat]

'clearly we won't see eye to eye with other individuals who (with no offence meant) are, should we say, maturer than us, then obviously take a completely different view. '
Clearly you fell into that one- I was waiting to see when some one would come out and claim to have invented sex and drugs and rock and roll.I thought I had too at your age

[cstegerlewis]

Sorry, can't stop myself

Recent old Blues; you did not invent sex, it has been around since the beginning of life. I thought expulsion for having sex stupid at 17, and then I got older and had children and changed my mind, as you will by the age of 40 - nuff said.

Parents - at last someone else who is sort of supporting my stance

Over and out

[Mrs C.]

Hot off the press

The Rock Concert will run ..... with a selection of bands drawn from the UF to Grecian year groups being auditioned .... over the next few weeks.

so you see, it`s not just for Grecians` bands!

i am currently at CH and while the email from vessey may say this from my friends throughout the seniors i have spoken to the UF etc are only allowed if the are in a band with a grecians, essentially making it for most people a grecians only event in terms of band, plus Mr Vessey also has promised less staff members there which i don't see happening as from my experience the new SMT, Vessey and Franklin seem to love trying to fine people breaking the rules and seem to go out of their way to find people doing this, fair enough if some1 is off their heads at the event then catch them punish them etc, but to go out of their way is extreme and what im afraid is actually happening. And in support of shane, he does have some form of a mandate as most current blues support his petition, and the only reason why it isn't coming from inside the school is as a result into the investigation into the Housey Peaceful revolution group, people are too afraid to speak out for fear of punishment

Almost 7 years at CH hasn`t done much for your punctuation, has it Richard?

I don`t understand what the big deal is if it IS Grecians only anyway - surely that means everyone gets a chance on their Grecians Year doesn`t it??

[dinahcat]

Mrs C - I take my hat off to you.I lost the will to read 02juddra's post after two words. And I was berated for writing Mrs instead of Mr. I hope she isn't taking English A level...

[Jo]

Mrs C - I take my hat off to you.I lost the will to read 02juddra's post after two words. And I was berated for writing Mrs instead of Mr. I hope she isn't taking English A level...

I agree with your sentiments, but there are older people on here who have studied English to a much higher level, whose posts are even less comprehensible.

[02juddra]

Mrs C - I take my hat off to you.I lost the will to read 02juddra's post after two words. And I was berated for writing Mrs instead of Mr. I hope she isn't taking English A level...

well im not taking english a-level, but i was touch typing so grammer and punctation kinda falls out the window, im also slightly dyslexic, and so my grammer and punication aren't going to be great, but i don't really think my ability to punctate should really matter on an online forum, as personally i feel its more important to read and digest some1 points before critising their grammer, fair enough if you disagree with my points, there only my opinion from my experiences and thus people may disagree, but just to give up and just write about my grammer seems kind of a cop-out as your not looking at my points and then debating them, which i though this forum was about clearly i was wrong as its just about critisng people's grammer. Furthermore Mrs Chandler while clearly it does mean that every1 should get a turn on their grecians, this is not always the case a talented instrumentalists may leave the school at GE after their GCSE, and thus won't get a chance. Furthermore while for adults with children will have different views, i have a younger sister, who at her age now -15 i wouldn't want to to be 'sexually active' and would discourage her from doing so, but once your over the age of constent and feel you are mature enough then you should be punished for doing what is a natural thing and all te new rules will cause is increased friction between the older years and the new SMT and the possible expulsion of talented individuals from the school. It seems pointless to me to punish 18 year olds the same as 12 years olds.

[NEILL THE NOTORIOUS]

I wasn't going to join this Topic again but -----
On the subject of Expulsion --- During the War, a chap named "Black Douglas" Borrowed a Rifle and some Grenades and Detonators, from the Armoury, lined up a Junior behind the Fives Courts and took aim and "First Pressure".
The Junior screamed and ran away --- hence an all-out search, but he decamped for about three days, into the surrounding countryside.
When eventually caught, he was expelled------ do we now think this was unreasonable ? ? (Showing Initiative)
I believe he went on to Dulwich (I may be wrong) and a successful career ! :gun:
I reall can't think of a suitable "Smiley" !

[Spartacist]

Dear All,

This topic was never supposed to have come to the forum. I would never have posted the Petition info on here as I knew OB's would not take it seriously as they are from a different era.

It is also the case that I was aware that prospective parents maybe reading this site, and therefore, this is all irrelevant.

Can I ask people to stop picking and being so pedantic about punctuation, grammer and spelling. In truth, every pupil at CH is perfectly capable of writing correctly... Just when you are on an informal forum, this does not seem necessary. Everyone at CH is overly averagely clever - so there is no need to say "I almost lost the will to live when reading that post" - because seriously.... it REALLY does NOT matter. You are ALL missing the point. The point is we do not like the way Mr Franklin does not understand the Ethos of CH that we know well....

There is no need to all this. We are asking for a united spirit. Not a "lets pick this apart" - more like "what can we do to help".

Most of this debate and conversation has been pointless.... useless. I am fairly dissapointed.

Regards,
S.J

[02juddra]

Personally, the expulsion for the pupil who stole weaponry and took aim a fellow pupils is in no way excessive frankly i'm amazed that the school didn't call the police.