Re: The Pedant's Revolt
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:42 pm
PS - let's face it - either you are educated or you are not! There is no 'very' about it!
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I'd have said Churchill too, but I googled it and the first two "finds" both said (though not in so many words) that there's no evidence he actually said it, and it's a bit of an urban myth.Fjgrogan wrote:More to the point, Neill - the verb 'to be' takes a complement rather than an object, therefore the nominative rather than the accusative case, because the person doing the being is the same as the person being been - sort that lot out!! I usually say 'it is I' on the 'phone. Do any of you pedants out there know who it was who replied (when told that it was wrong to put prepositions at the end of a sentence)'this is nonsense up with which I will not put!' ? My money is on Winston Churchill.
As this is the Pedant's Revolt thread it is only right and proper for me to remind you that something either IS an urban myth or IS NOT an urban myth. What is this "bit of an urban myth" to which you refer?Jo wrote:I'd have said Churchill too, but I googled it and the first two "finds" both said (though not in so many words) that there's no evidence he actually said it, and it's a bit of an urban myth.Fjgrogan wrote:More to the point, Neill - the verb 'to be' takes a complement rather than an object, therefore the nominative rather than the accusative case, because the person doing the being is the same as the person being been - sort that lot out!! I usually say 'it is I' on the 'phone. Do any of you pedants out there know who it was who replied (when told that it was wrong to put prepositions at the end of a sentence)'this is nonsense up with which I will not put!' ? My money is on Winston Churchill.
It's a fair cop, guvMid A 15 wrote:As this is the Pedant's Revolt thread it is only right and proper for me to remind you that something either IS an urban myth or IS NOT an urban myth. What is this "bit of an urban myth" to which you refer?Jo wrote:I'd have said Churchill too, but I googled it and the first two "finds" both said (though not in so many words) that there's no evidence he actually said it, and it's a bit of an urban myth.Fjgrogan wrote:More to the point, Neill - the verb 'to be' takes a complement rather than an object, therefore the nominative rather than the accusative case, because the person doing the being is the same as the person being been - sort that lot out!! I usually say 'it is I' on the 'phone. Do any of you pedants out there know who it was who replied (when told that it was wrong to put prepositions at the end of a sentence)'this is nonsense up with which I will not put!' ? My money is on Winston Churchill.
Angela Woodford wrote:I've always understood that an errant priest should be unfrocked!
The verb "to defrock" seems to be used now (and very frequently!)
Which is correct, fellow pedants?
I understand that 'defrock' is especially preferable in the Catholic faith. Then again, with their track-record on kiddy-fiddling.............Angela Woodford wrote:I've always understood that an errant priest should be unfrocked!
The verb "to defrock" seems to be used now (and very frequently!)
Which is correct, fellow pedants?
NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:I don't care, whether it is unfrocked or defrocked --------
CHARGED is what I want to hear !!!!![]()
"Laicised"! Thanks, Ann - that would apply to nuns too - I'm thinking of the horrible cruelty of the nuns who ran those terrible Magdalen homes for girls - taking their babies away? - forcing them to toil at laundry work + beatings + compulsory silence + other awful punishments? I saw a documentary ages ago, and remember being moved to tears. I might be wrong but didn't these dreadful penitentiaries exist even in the 70's? Accounts of priestly scandals are currently rife, but I think those poor girls should be remembered as well.anniexf wrote:The trending term seems to be "laicised" (especially on C4 news), but I've noticed too that "de-frocked" is used far more than "unfrocked". Perhaps it's one of those evolutionary-English things?