School Carmen and other songs....

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Can you remember all 7 of the Carmen in Latin now?

yes - if so add to School Caremen and other songs..
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no - have a laugh and look at what we have so far!
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Amazing....Gaye, are you really Gaye ? You who were so brilliant and unbeatable at sport ? I do remember that you were bullied and I think some of it may have been jealousy as you really were exceptionally talented....and also fear.Not that you were at all frightening as a person ...but a formidable opponent in any sport. You were in fours weren't you ? Did you go on to use your sporting prowess after leaving?


Eternalangel is right. We all did our needle work in the loo, late at night. Oh the terror of not having it finished on time and the wrath of Miss Richards !

Re: Jude and Jewish.I am too ! My Mum was Orthodox and Kosher until she died last July. She was born in Hackney ;second generation immigrant (ie her grandparents on both sides were immigrants from The Netherlands on one side , and Russia on the other). Her family were very musical and it seems to have passed down through the generations.Not surprising she sent me to CH. She had a great respect for education and a good nose for a bargain :wink: She was still conscious to be more English than the English and pleased to send me to a traditional Church of England school !

For all DRs shortcomings ,she selected ( and I guess she had enormous influence in the choice) a lovely intake of girls without prejudice.

I loved the singing at CH and honestly find it hard to imagine that it could be possible to FORGET the tune to Carmen or the Foundation Hymn. I remember them all ( Hymns Ancient and Modern wasn't it ? ) including alto parts and descants . I managed to get a free ( well for a donation to BSB) old Housey hymn book at the reunion last April complete with Foundation Hymn and MUSIC. My friend from King's School and I ( he plays piano) have been duetting our way through it. Very corny but fun and strangely cathartic.

I also have the English translation to the whole of Carmen tucked into my CH Bible. I'll post it when I have time but I found it on the internet somewhere ( I was always a disappointment to Queenie with my Latin!!).
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Alexandra Thrift wrote:I loved the singing at CH and honestly find it hard to imagine that it could be possible to FORGET the tune to Carmen or the Foundation Hymn. I remember them all ( Hymns Ancient and Modern wasn't it ? ) including alto parts and descants .

I also have the English translation to the whole of Carmen tucked into my CH Bible. I'll post it when I have time but I found it on the internet somewhere ( I was always a disappointment to Queenie with my Latin!!).
We'll have to differ on remembering tunes, Alexandra, I think I must have been a sore disappointment in that department!! The link Mrs C put up takes you to the Votum and its translation, not 'our' verse though! I am pretty sure it was Ancient & Modern, but we had to have our our own hymnbooks of a different kind for the house.

I was thinking today about your remembering my freckles for 40 years, they must have been more prominent than I realised. I went to France as an au pair straight after leaving. My employer was a very chic Parisienne and she used to leave articles for me to read from her beauty magazines with methods to get rid of freckles!

Also you referred to me as a 'goddess' in your first term. I think that being a Prefect at CH really gave you a feeling that you were one of the select!!

In my very first term Clare Roper Power from 6s was Head Girl. In my very, very early days I was outspoken and commented on her tie pin (not realising it was a Prefect's badge) and asked her where she had got it, as my father had a similar badge on his table napkin ring and it was chipped! There was stunned silence all around after my question!!
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Yes Alex, it's really me.... or at least that's what I took you to mean by "Are you really Gaye?" LOL

You can see why I used my middle name, Rosemarie, in adult life!

I'm deeply flattered that you remember me as being so exceptional, but I think time has enhanced your memories of me somewhat. I remember that Ailsa Gould could beat me at many things. Do you remember her , from 3's ?

And no, I didn't do much sport after I left. I followed my academic leanings and studied to be a micro-electronic engineer. However, being the only girl on the course, I had to do the Games afternoon with the boys and I did manage to earn their respect sometimes.

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That is where the HOUSE comes from, I knew there was one somewhere.
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Mrs C. wrote:.....and it`s quite likely that in the foreseeable future at least one of the lines in that verse will no longer ring true.......


BTW, it is believed that at least one member of CH staff has the Foundation Hymn tune as their ring tone on their mobile.
OMG Mrs C - that cannot be
to have a tune
that spells us doom
upon a mobile phone

to think young and old minds both alike
are striving hard towards the light
and learning latin for a song
they have to sing all year long

I can't think of any more words that go with this theme!!!!!

I still have not found the music or the words to the foundation hymn, but at least I know where RR got the words for the carmen / Votem from....
here is one of the transliterations....
Now let us all with one accord
And with a shout resounding
Raise praise and prayer to Christ, whose name
Has marked us since our founding.

Join with us, friends from far and near
Who watch the unfolding story
Of this our vital Bluecoat school,
The heir of ancient glory.

May the great blessings long enjoyed
Still day by day attend us,
And now and ever may the Lord
Watch over and befriend us.

Discord and faction banished hence,
Let us remain united;
And may our terms by no disease
Nor chills and colds be blighted.

Let honest conduct be the rule,
And let us without turning
Pursue the highest that we know
In living and in learning.

Quickness of eye and hand and foot
In friendly contest striving,
On pitch or track, in court or pool,
Shall keep us fit and thriving.

While our gymnastic exercise -
Labour and recreation -
Develops sturdiness and grace
In balanced combination.

So may the House grow happier yet,
Its age more vigour lending;
Et floreat, ut floruit,
In glory never-ending.


Tr. Michael Cherniavsky
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Hi Rosemarie ( once KA Gaye ) ! The funny thing is that last week on another thread I posted about you on the lines of " Does anybody remember Gaye who was so sporty inc. being a great swimmer ? " and I had no idea you were posting on the site....spooky...considering not many of us are posting.

Of course I remember Ailsa Gould...and yes she was fantastic at sport ...'specially whacking balls hard ( no vulgarity intended :wink: )...but even she didn't possess your unfettered determination Rosemarie ...you were an absolute natural....I'm not meaning to embarrass you...but at that time, I would have given anything to have had your talent. Had you decided to pursue sport I'm absolutely sure you would have played in some National team for something ( take your pick...although I think you were at your best in team sports as you had such an eye for what others were doing, or were about to do and total awareness of the space around you!) I remember playing a House netball match against Fours. You usually played goal defence and there was puny little me trying to be shooter ! No chance me! The way you could twist and manouvre , I could rarely touch the ball much less get a goal....honestly.....I bet you gave those male fellow students a run for their money...they can't have known what hit them.

Incidently...well said....on whichever thread it was you posted about never making concessions to sweet girlywhirlyness. I will say more on that matter when I have time but I gotta go. All the best to you and everyone.
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I remember Ailsa very well, her older sister Stella was in 7s. Carol Crowden also in 3s is on Friends Reunited and I had a very brief email exchangewith her.

Valerie Williams who Gaye will remember from 4s became a doctor and I bumped into her on the tube one day. I also remember seeing her and her fiance presenting the bouquets to the conductor and soloist at the Last Night of the Proms in the early 80s.

Mary McDonagh works in Cheltenham at the Government place(the name escapes me). She and I were the only ones to turn up at Horsham in 1995 for the 20 year anniversary of leaving. I met Alex and Sue Boggett the previous year, parked next to them in the car park thinking I wouldn't know anyone, that was spooky.
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THE Cheltenham place is called GCHQ!!! (Government Communications Head Quarters) I live about 18 miles from it!

Gaye - did you swim for Hertford whilst at CH? Because my blood father was such a sportsman, I tried to get some respect from him by being in just about every team there was - I swam for Hertford during term times, and West Sussex during holidays - I'm still confused today!! The only team/ game I was literally BANNED from, was tennis!! I had learnt squash - and bigger raquet and bigger ball - and most of them landed on the chapel roof, the cinema roof (across the road from the tennis court between chapel and Headmistress house) and in Miss Tuckers garden, I can't remember exactly what it was that got me banned - I either hit Miss T or one of her windows.... She was red faced at the best of times (probably high blood pressure thinking back) but she came round like a steam train that day, and Miss Gravett was informed I would no longer be playing tennis. boom boom!!

I got the dubious honour of being "pav" girl for 2 years - I guess they wanted me to have some form of respect or responsibility, but I have a wonderful scar in the tissue just below my left thumb on the inside of my hand were a cricket ball was thrown, someone yelled, I caught it and the impact impressed the pav key into my hand.... yum!! not!
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GCHQ, that's the place.

Do you mean Hertford Town, or CH? We certainly did not have anything to do with the town. The only acknowledgement that we were actually in Hertford was when we were in the Hertfordshire Youth choir and Orchestra for a concert at the Royal Albert Hall in 71 or 72. We didn't even play sports against other local teams, only other private/public schools, Poles Convent in Ware and Royal Masonic in Rickmansworth are two that spring to mind.

Gaye was far and away the best swimmer in the school, funnily enough she was from West Sussex too. She was built like a swimmer, broad shoulders, slim hips.
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still have the bl**dy shoulders - never needed the padded shoulder jackets that were all the craze in the 80's...!!

I swam for Herts in winter we trained in Stevenage, in the summer on the Meads..... it was bl**dy cold there!!

All the monitor boards, headmistress boards and achievements were taken to Horsham, some are in the girls houses, others are elsewhere..

The few wonderful things of CH were the music etc...

Did any of you attend St Pauls Cathederal for Sir Barnes Wallis's memorial? It was the first time I ever saw the boys! We sang as a joint choir, except we also had a famale only anthem.. I can remember standing getting redder and redder just a couple of feet away from Prince Charles.... the RAF trumpeters played in the whispering gallery - the echo's went on for ages..!

The other wonderful thing was singing with the Bach Choir - Easter Term Messiah... we were in the Ripeiano choir - (I'll have to look that up as I can only remember it as the Rip.... The choir mistress in charge of the Rip was actually from Gloucestershire, and when I joined the Cirencester Choral society there she was - the conductor - what's more she remembered me!! Is that a good or bad thing??!! I was very luck with my voice as I had a 3 octave range so I could be put anywhere, and being able to read music and having (sadly) perfect pitch I often just before a concert got thrown with the sopranos, or altos - wherever she felt the choir was weak - and yes I even sang with the guys once! As a tenor!!

sadly due to illness my range has dropped (plus I haven't sung properly for eons..) :oops: :(
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I was taken up to CH one year by Margret Foxton (6's) (she lived in Worthing, West Sussex)- she ended up as the Head girl - she was a fantastic hocky player - easily hated really as she was good looking, brilliant academically and fantastic at sports and music!
She had her front teeth knocked out by a hockey ball so after she'd had all the dental work done she (as I last heard anyhow) was going off to Uni to do dentistry..

There are a couple of others who were like her - Katy Simmons - she was in 5's -, Cara Williams in 8's and so on...

All I seemed to do was get into trouble! :oops: but I tried SO hard to please my blood father and step mother - all to no avail, they were no impressed at all, and my father pulled me out at 16 stating "girls don't need educating"! He had spent the entire day at school, with Miss Tucker and some of hte Governors - they even offered to pay all my fees, travel and find me places to go for the holidays.... (I was on a West Sussex scholarship, so my father didn't have to pay much!) but he put his foot down. What was worse, was every member of staff knew he was there, and he refused to see me - he had driven up to Hertford from Angmering (nr Littlehampton) in West Sussex, and still refused to see me.

Most Long Sats I was one of those few who got left at school, but we were allowed out to the town, and allowed to wear home clothes... although my step mother always bought jeans about 4 sizes too big and then stitched in two huge "V"'s at the back so they almost fitted - stating "I would grow into them" the teasing I got from the girls was horrendous, so I often stayed in uniform, it was easier :cry: :oops: :cry: :cry:
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englishangel wrote:I remember Ailsa very well, her older sister Stella was in 7s. Carol Crowden also in 3s is on Friends Reunited and I had a very brief email exchangewith her.

Valerie Williams who Gaye will remember from 4s became a doctor and I bumped into her on the tube one day. I also remember seeing her and her fiance presenting the bouquets to the conductor and soloist at the Last Night of the Proms in the early 80s.

Mary McDonagh works in Cheltenham at the Government place(the name escapes me). She and I were the only ones to turn up at Horsham in 1995 for the 20 year anniversary of leaving. I met Alex and Sue Boggett the previous year, parked next to them in the car park thinking I wouldn't know anyone, that was spooky.
Excuse me butting in but seeing the name Sue Boggett reminds me that she once (unsuccessfully as it turned out) tried to get me a job as she worked for a recruitment agency. She saw CH on my CV and we had a little chat about it. Her unusual surname stuck in my memory.
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mmm This started out as a music thread ! I'll try to swing it back in that direction but meanwhile I must comment on some of the other off-topic posts!

Firstly....Mary McDonagh...she was my friend and started in sixes at the same time as me.She came from Plumstead SW London and her father died when she was young leaving her Mum ( a civil servant) bringing up two kids alone.I stayed at Mary's house one holiday.Two up,two down with outside loo ( no inside loo ). A lovely family who really struggled to get by.If any story illustrates what CH could do for some children ,then Mary's does.

Mary told me that once in a maths lesson at her South London Primary school, the teacher announced that all Prime Numbers could be divided by themselves only and were therefore all odd numbers...In a flash Mary ( aged about 10) had her hand up, asking the teacher " What about 2 ? " .

The writing was on the wall.

When Mary first started at CH she was a bit behind everyone, possibly due to going Primary School in a disadvantaged ( in those days) part of London, possibly also her poor eyesight.I felt sorry for her and used to help her as she struggled with homework.

Well ( tee hee) I must have been a good teacher because by the time we reached the lower fifth Mary was top of the class in many subjects but particularly and especially MATHS and anything mathematical
(Physics /Chemistry/Logic and also er Latin).

Always the last to be picked in sports teams and sometimes teased for her short sight and clumsy gait ( I think "dyspraxic " would be a fair diagnosis....sorry Mary if you're reading this!), Mary had the last laugh.

She was a true genius gaining,I believe, straight As in Pure Maths ,Applied Maths , Physics , Further Maths ,possibly Latin and probably others aswell, at "A" Level.

Oxford and Cambridge fought over her, offering ever more seductive scholarships ,and eventually she went to Cambridge.

She was ( and still is no doubt) a very funny, lovely, most modest person and an eccentric who wandered around calculating strange ,mathematical formulae ( all squiggles and symbols ) just for something to do ! I knew she went on to work at GCHQ ( MI6 ??...do they still use codebreakers?...Mary would get bored!) but sadly we lost touch and I haven't seen her since the day she left CH....though I heard she had two or three kids.

Englishangel....I remember meeting you in the car park when I was with Sue .....she left her unusual surname behind twice...marrying first an Atkinson....and now married to Mr Robinson ( Steve) with a twelve year old daughter Cassandra. She lives fairly near me and is still recruiting. She once got me a job in the City of London as a temp...I became permanent ( of course they couldn't manage without me :wink: ) and eventually transferred to Paris, as Office Manager, for the same company where I worked for years. (on the Derivatives Markets.....and yes...it still irks me that Rogue Trader Nick Leeson earns thousands giving "after dinner speeches" having done his job so badly...for another company I hasten to add...as I don't think he would have fooled me!!)

Jude.....You were clearly fantastic at sport and music. The tennis ban seems a bit harsh to say the least ! Aswell as Rosemarie ( Gaye) , there was another fab. swimmer called Roberta Ayles( sixes). She was also exceptionally artistic and lived a bohemian life in Totnes, Devon....I've always looked out for her name on posters ,cards or whatever but never seen it.

I remember Margaret Foxton.There was a whole run of sixes " Headgirls".

Back to music.I remember singing at Westminster Abbey for the 1000th anniversary and marching about in the streets of London.

I also have to mention Catherine Ennis ( sixes) , who got an Organ scholarship to Oxford , has a web site I believe, is illustrious in the world of Organs ( :D ) and still gives recitals in the City of London ...one of which I'm hoping to attend ( thinks...must email her ).I was so lucky ( didn't realise it at the time) to practice my singing ( choir leader) with Catherine playing the piano for me!
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Mary Mc. came to the 25th anniversary in 1997 not 20th as I said last time, with her husband, I think she had two sons, not with her that day.

I know she got an A in Physics, the only one of us who passed. she also went to Haileybury for Computing, I might have mentioned that on another thread. For the younger ones among us, look at this site for how computers used to be, and I think most of these were taken after my time.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/vintagecomputers.html
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I remember Mary very well, her bed was next to mine in the dorm and she was very kind befriending me when I was new and terribly homesick. She would never wear her glasses, a habit which I later also adopted ... (my shortsightedness appears to have had a miracle cure....not!) It wasn't a vanity thing surely in that all-female environment??? I know I wore mine dutifully at CH but eventually abandoned them at my next (mixed) school.
Unfortunately my late father taught at the same school, and as his parenting skills were very much in line with DR's philosophies, I nevertheless remained very handicapped in the teenage romance stakes.
He used to loom up everywhere booming Elisabeth!!! Where are your GLASSES?????? We all used to wail much the same at poor Mary.
I also remember Cathy Ennis who was my cubicle partner for a while, she had a guitar, very cool, and used to sometimes play and sing in the evenings, alas it wasn't always appreciated.
More names, please, I'm in the swing now.

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