Will Dobbie be defrocked?

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Will Dobbie be defrocked?

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I assume that the church will move to defrock Dobbie.

Does anyone know how long this will take and how it is done?
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I don't think the CoE do defrocking anymore, that's why Bishop Ball is still Bishop Ball. They can suspend him from functioning (working) as a priest, but can't divest him of the title or position.
Kinda like the BMA, they can strike a doc off, but can't strip them of the qualifications.
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He may be a bit of scalp then in prison.
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De-frocking a priest! !!!

The mind boggles - then again, in these times of disclosure and exposure .

How long does it take ?

I think it depends on the number of buttons and bows involved, Richard !!!
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The most celebrated defrocking was that of Harold Davidson, the Rector of Stiffkey (in Norfolk), in 1937. He later worked for a circus and was killed by a lion on Blackpool seafront.
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scrub wrote: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:57 pm I don't think the CoE do defrocking anymore, that's why Bishop Ball is still Bishop Ball. They can suspend him from functioning (working) as a priest, but can't divest him of the title or position.
Kinda like the BMA, they can strike a doc off, but can't strip them of the qualifications.
The problem here is that a bishop can still ordain priests. And it is not unknown for renegade bishops to do just that. This is how sectarian groups arise and survive.
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michael scuffil wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:50 am The most celebrated defrocking was that of Harold Davidson, the Rector of Stiffkey (in Norfolk), in 1937. He later worked for a circus and was killed by a lion on Blackpool seafront.

That sounds like the synopsis for a black-comedy programme on Channel 4, Michael ! :oops:
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Really rather shocking that the church doesn't do anything about paedophiles.

Doesnt set much of an example.
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richardb wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:44 pm Really rather shocking that the church doesn't do anything about paedophiles.

Doesnt set much of an example.

Well there are LOADS of jokes about priests and altar-boys, but modesty forbids in these troubled times. :shock:
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DEFROCKING (C of E version)
michael scuffil wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:54 am
The problem here is that a bishop can still ordain priests. And it is not unknown for renegade bishops to do just that. This is how sectarian groups arise and survive.
I think that the relevent words there are renegade and sectarian.

I was amazed to be told that under RC rules a priest who has formally left the priesthood (with permission), married etc. can continue to carry out most of the functions that he did as a priest including celebrating the Mass. I think from memory that he cannot hear confession.

In France, because of the shortage of priests the C of E has formally given its adsherents premission to take mass in the RC church. Apparently the French RC church has actually agreed to this. Where we were it was a Protestant order monk who held C of E communion in the RC cathedral. I don't know if he blessed the host or if it was "imported" from another Protestant church.
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I've got a priest working with me tomorrow, I'll ask him whether he knows the current policy in such cases.
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sejintenej wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:48 pm DEFROCKING (C of E version)
michael scuffil wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:54 am
The problem here is that a bishop can still ordain priests. And it is not unknown for renegade bishops to do just that. This is how sectarian groups arise and survive.
I think that the relevent words there are renegade and sectarian.

I was amazed to be told that under RC rules a priest who has formally left the priesthood (with permission), married etc. can continue to carry out most of the functions that he did as a priest including celebrating the Mass. I think from memory that he cannot hear confession.

In France, because of the shortage of priests the C of E has formally given its adsherents premission to take mass in the RC church. Apparently the French RC church has actually agreed to this. Where we were it was a Protestant order monk who held C of E communion in the RC cathedral. I don't know if he blessed the host or if it was "imported" from another Protestant church.
Hardly likely, given what he might hear these days
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sejintenej wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:48 pm DEFROCKING (C of E version)
I was amazed to be told that under RC rules a priest who has formally left the priesthood (with permission), married etc. can continue to carry out most of the functions that he did as a priest including celebrating the Mass. I think from memory that he cannot hear confession.
J.R. wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:51 pm Hardly likely, given what he might hear these days
Especially as the ex-priest who told me this was a High Court Judge at the time!
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Why don't they do traditional excommunications like the Catholics?

You can't remove a doctor's knowledge of disease and physiology but a priest or bishop is merely a title and job description.

About the only time I've ever wished the Inquisition was still around... but no doubt they'd be staffed by the worst offenders anyway.
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michael scuffil wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:50 am The most celebrated defrocking was that of Harold Davidson, the Rector of Stiffkey (in Norfolk), in 1937. He later worked for a circus and was killed by a lion on Blackpool seafront.
The lion was called Freddie.

I'm no expert on the range of sentences available to Crown Court judges or the C of E judicial authorities but they probably don't include introducing Dobbie to a lion. What a pity.
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