Re: Ken Grimshaw
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:08 am
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So, what is right or wrong for corporal punishment is defined by place and time, rather like grooming, as you explained here:
So where and when would you prefer to send your children to school from a corporal punishment point of view?Let's be clear, the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent - I'm sure the techniques are remarkably similar. People have always fancied, and will always fancy 14/15 year old girls. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, it's the law of the land that counts. Before I get mobbed for that statement, if one checks the ages of consent across Europe they range from between 14-18 - and in a country like Spain, the age of consent up until 1999 was 13. It is what it is - make of that what you will.
This really is getting tiring.TMF wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:59 pmSo, what is right or wrong for corporal punishment is defined by place and time, rather like grooming, as you explained here:
https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 27#p149627So where and when would you prefer to send your children to school from a corporal punishment point of view?Let's be clear, the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent - I'm sure the techniques are remarkably similar. People have always fancied, and will always fancy 14/15 year old girls. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, it's the law of the land that counts. Before I get mobbed for that statement, if one checks the ages of consent across Europe they range from between 14-18 - and in a country like Spain, the age of consent up until 1999 was 13. It is what it is - make of that what you will.
Why tiring, Pe.A?Pe.A wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:55 amThis really is getting tiring.TMF wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:59 pmSo, what is right or wrong for corporal punishment is defined by place and time, rather like grooming, as you explained here:
https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 27#p149627So where and when would you prefer to send your children to school from a corporal punishment point of view?Let's be clear, the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent - I'm sure the techniques are remarkably similar. People have always fancied, and will always fancy 14/15 year old girls. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, it's the law of the land that counts. Before I get mobbed for that statement, if one checks the ages of consent across Europe they range from between 14-18 - and in a country like Spain, the age of consent up until 1999 was 13. It is what it is - make of that what you will.
Well, considering that no-one can actually go back in time, it's just a very silly and badly thought-out question.TMF wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:29 pmWhy tiring, Pe.A?Pe.A wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:55 amThis really is getting tiring.TMF wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:59 pm
So, what is right or wrong for corporal punishment is defined by place and time, rather like grooming, as you explained here:
https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 27#p149627
So where and when would you prefer to send your children to school from a corporal punishment point of view?
Where and when would you prefer to send your children to school from a corporal punishment, or grooming/seduction, point of view? Pick a place and decade - to give people a sense of what you prefer for your children. Feel free to be as honest as you want.
Pe.A you can and do interpret and judge in terms of very modern values and standards. Here is an example of your contemporary interpretive judgment:Pe.A wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:56 amWell, considering that no-one can actually go back in time, it's just a very silly and badly thought-out question.TMF wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:29 pmWhy tiring, Pe.A?
Where and when would you prefer to send your children to school from a corporal punishment, or grooming/seduction, point of view? Pick a place and decade - to give people a sense of what you prefer for your children. Feel free to be as honest as you want.
But in general terms, i should point out that it's a historical truism that you can't really interpret and judge the past in terms of modern values and standards.
Besides, i reckon i could have benefited from the odd kick up the arse when i was a CH, or at least the threat of it...
Detentions weren't really a punishment - more of an inconvenience.
Let's be clear, the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent - I'm sure the techniques are remarkably similar.
I remember all 4 extremely well: excellent teachers and decent blokes. there was also a Mr Williams who also taught metalwork IIRC but he never taught me and, of course, Mr Webb about whom far too much has already been said on this forum. Mr Grimshaw was an excellent craftsman; Mr Webb was not, and that showed in the results they obtained at O level. In my year all but one of us achieved A grades, and the only one who didn't got a B, his only O level I believe. I loved the Manual School; I largely had to give it up as a Dep and Grecian as there was too much else to do but they were my favourite lessons by a country mile. I was never actually very good but I really enjoyed my time there.MrEd wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:29 pm In my time, late 1970s, the great three of the Manual School were Mr Wyncoll, who made a valiant effort at teaching me woodwork, I know I exasperated him with my abysmal lack of skill, but he hid it fairly well. Poor chap suffered from the stress of the job later IIRC, he was also a CCF Major.
Mr Stratton a great no-nonsense metalwork teacher who managed to inculcate some basics in my metalwork, main memories his explaining the hazards of clinker and telling us not to snigger at a ****** sword and explaining that a ****** was a '******' as it referred to a ill-behaved child who'd grown up without a father in the house, and 'Cherry' Perry whose catchphrase for technical drawing was '30 Degrees' as he taught us how to draw projections. Ken Grimshaw was a rather forbidding figure rumoured to be obsessed with catching smokers with his dog in tow. Looking back, he was doing people a favour.
The Art School I remember as rather Bohemian, but I don't recall actually learning anything or even doing anything there, except perhaps a messy bit of pottery. Mr Lane struck me as a decent chap though, with the challenge of enthusing us in Art.
I cannot remember who I had for technical drawing but at least it got me another "O" level. Have I used it since - definitely. In France we did a lot of alterations to a near prehistoric farmhouse so planning permission was required - I did all my own drawings and they were accepted.SandysJ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:18 am Bringing it back to Ken Grimshaw, I remember him teaching me Techical Drawing for O Level and always appreciated his patience, although I expect I tried it near to his limit!
I have used my drawing 'skills' (not so hot) a number of times through my working life especially when I was running my own fabrication business.