Ben Breakwell convicted of abuse

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Re: Ben Breakwell convicted of abuse

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What has the age of consent got to do with this thread?
Breakwell was a teacher and it's irrelevant and quite rightly so.
And trying to argue that he might not be a paedophile is appalling.
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AMP wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:21 pm What has the age of consent got to do with this thread?
Breakwell was a teacher and it's irrelevant and quite rightly so.
And trying to argue that he might not be a paedophile is appalling.
Again, i didn't actually say that - read the last paragraph of that post.

I was replying to the comment you made referring to the possible influence and 'learning from' assumption, which i said was not really necessary since the techniques for grooming an underage female and seducing an over age one would have remarkable similarities. The age of consent marker is the dividing line between the two. It was a factual observation. People generally learn on the job, as such, when it comes to pulling women.

As i wrote, "My point with [the observation i made about the ages of consent] is that someone would not really need much guidance or influence. I'm sure there would have been plenty of similar cases he could have read about in the media since he was at CH, certainly post-Jimmy Savile. Some people abuse their power and their position of trust, give in to temptation, break the law and get found out. Trying to connect disparate dots through time and space back to CH just does not add anything useful."
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Re: Ben Breakwell convicted of abuse

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Pe.A wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:14 pm
AMP wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:21 pm What has the age of consent got to do with this thread?
Breakwell was a teacher and it's irrelevant and quite rightly so.
And trying to argue that he might not be a paedophile is appalling.
Again, i didn't actually say that - read the last paragraph of that post.

I was replying to the comment you made referring to the possible influence and 'learning from' assumption, which i said was not really necessary since the techniques for grooming an underage female and seducing an over age one would have remarkable similarities. The age of consent marker is the dividing line between the two. It was a factual observation. People generally learn on the job, as such, when it comes to pulling women.

As i wrote, "My point with [the observation i made about the ages of consent] is that someone would not really need much guidance or influence. I'm sure there would have been plenty of similar cases he could have read about in the media since he was at CH, certainly post-Jimmy Savile. Some people abuse their power and their position of trust, give in to temptation, break the law and get found out. Trying to connect disparate dots through time and space back to CH just does not add anything useful."
Comparing the sexual exploitation of the vulnerable to normal courting??!!
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Re: Ben Breakwell convicted of abuse

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AMP wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:40 pm
Pe.A wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:14 pm
AMP wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:21 pm What has the age of consent got to do with this thread?
Breakwell was a teacher and it's irrelevant and quite rightly so.
And trying to argue that he might not be a paedophile is appalling.
Again, i didn't actually say that - read the last paragraph of that post.

I was replying to the comment you made referring to the possible influence and 'learning from' assumption, which i said was not really necessary since the techniques for grooming an underage female and seducing an over age one would have remarkable similarities. The age of consent marker is the dividing line between the two. It was a factual observation. People generally learn on the job, as such, when it comes to pulling women.

As i wrote, "My point with [the observation i made about the ages of consent] is that someone would not really need much guidance or influence. I'm sure there would have been plenty of similar cases he could have read about in the media since he was at CH, certainly post-Jimmy Savile. Some people abuse their power and their position of trust, give in to temptation, break the law and get found out. Trying to connect disparate dots through time and space back to CH just does not add anything useful."
Comparing the sexual exploitation of the vulnerable to normal courting??!!
Are you just trying to get a rise out of me...?

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Well all I can say is thank goodness our justice system doesn't convict based on the maxim "no-one can be sure that he didn't do it, so he must have done it" that is being suggested here.

I enjoy my fair share of true crime, both podcasts and Netflix docos, and I can see here and elsewhere that some people get a bit inspired and try to make links where there are none.
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the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent
...right?
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Otter wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:27 pm Well all I can say is thank goodness our justice system doesn't convict based on the maxim "no-one can be sure that he didn't do it, so he must have done it" that is being suggested here.

I enjoy my fair share of true crime, both podcasts and Netflix docos, and I can see here and elsewhere that some people get a bit inspired and try to make links where there are none.
Inspired wording. Thank you.
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TMF wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:40 pm
the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent
...right?
Yep. Just think about it. In the Irish Republic the age of consent is 17 - so what's legal here (away from education) is illegal there. If the age of consent was to come down to 16, would 'seducing' a 16 year old (whether one agrees with it or not) still be classed as grooming...? And vice versa.

But that's really by the bye. I would ask people to read the last paragraph of the post where that point came from. I am neither advocating nor condoning anything - just railing against bringing anything and everything back to CH. It's as silly and pointless as someone in the music industry, for example, being convicted of taking liberties with an underage girl, and people asking "I wonder if he knew Jimmy Savile...?"

Let's just stick to the facts as we know them. Ta.
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Convicted and 'mid-term move on' teachers and ex-pupils:
Burr, Porteous, Martin, Ball, Webb, Karim, Dobbie, Husband, Hudson, Brownlie, Rowley, McCall, Plumley, Breakwell, Durrant, etc. (to list a few)

...many of whom were acquainted with one another.

...general staff knowledge, e.g.:

https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 9&start=45
... Neil Fleming said something along the lines of 'there was an older girl and when she left, he started grooming the younger one, and that he was aware it was happening 'but there was no whistleblowing in those days, so what could you do'.
...and the Pe.A 'Paedophile Apologist' progressive perspective
the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent
'

I know - nothing to see here, move along, no witches, different time, etc. - expressed with great angst and fear rather than concern for children.
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TMF wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:52 am Convicted and 'mid-term move on' teachers and ex-pupils:
Burr, Porteous, Martin, Ball, Webb, Karim, Dobbie, Husband, Hudson, Brownlie, Rowley, McCall, Plumley, Breakwell, Durrant, etc. (to list a few)

...many of whom were acquainted with one another.

...general staff knowledge, e.g.:

https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 9&start=45
... Neil Fleming said something along the lines of 'there was an older girl and when she left, he started grooming the younger one, and that he was aware it was happening 'but there was no whistleblowing in those days, so what could you do'.
...and the Pe.A 'Paedophile Apologist' progressive perspective
the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent
'

I know - nothing to see here, move along, no witches, different time, etc. - expressed with great angst and fear rather than concern for children.
Lord have mercy, this is getting tiring. Are you serious?

Some were acquainted, most were separated by quite some time - doesn't necessarily mean they were in active cahoots - and Durrant should just be left out of this one. Let's not conflate anything and everything.

But we were talking about Ben Breakwell - who was about 13 yrs old when Husband was booted out. I was questioning the logic of the following statement:

"so the possibility he discussed with them his predelictions post CH and possibly learnt from them is not implausible at the moment. That is what paedos do. Like some pupils he may have been aware of Husband's and Dobbie's offending whilst he was at CH. It may have influenced him during his formative years if he already had these types of inclinations."

I was just pointing out that this wouldn't necessarily be the case since the techniques for grooming teenage girls and seducing older females would not be very dissimilar. The only thing that separates the two terms is an age of consent (factual observation). Most people learn on the job, as such, as they go through life, they don't really need much guidance (unless they're really bad at it), so to attempt to link Ben Breakwell back to CH is bordering on the absurd, and grasping at dots to link up.

As for the last statement, "expressed with great angst and fear rather than concern for children"...? What on earth are you talking about?

Can we just give this one a rest, and maybe leave it where Otter left off...?
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TMF wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:52 am Convicted and 'mid-term move on' teachers and ex-pupils:
Burr, Porteous, Martin, Ball, Webb, Karim, Dobbie, Husband, Hudson, Brownlie, Rowley, McCall, Plumley, Breakwell, Durrant, etc. (to list a few)

...many of whom were acquainted with one another.

...general staff knowledge, e.g.:

https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 9&start=45
... Neil Fleming said something along the lines of 'there was an older girl and when she left, he started grooming the younger one, and that he was aware it was happening 'but there was no whistleblowing in those days, so what could you do'.
...and the Pe.A 'Paedophile Apologist' progressive perspective
the only difference between grooming and seduction is the age of consent
'

I know - nothing to see here, move along, no witches, different time, etc. - expressed with great angst and fear rather than concern for children.
Nick Plumley?
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Nick Plumley?
You are right, Plumley should not be on the 'moved on list' - he was a corporal punishment enthusiast, however.

https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 05#p141405

https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 23#p117723

HarryH - a teacher - has said that there were other sudden departures:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5209&&start=60#p142395
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Re: Ben Breakwell convicted of abuse

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TMF wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:24 pm
Nick Plumley?
You are right, Plumley should not be on the 'moved on list' - he was a corporal punishment enthusiast, however.

https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 05#p141405

https://www.chforum.info/php/viewtopic. ... 23#p117723

HarryH - a teacher - has said that there were other sudden departures:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5209&&start=60#p142395
....and what's this got to do with Ben Breakwell...?
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....and what's this got to do with Ben Breakwell...?
Was Breakwell's offending his nature exclusively, or was it nurtured by contacts and experiences as a pupil, or what is simply due to the age of consent?

What was Breakwell like?
Did anyone know him? (I know you do not want to say, Pe.A).
What did Breakwell experience at CH? - staff grooming examples, staff being moved on with a reference, authority turning a blind eye, etc.
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TMF wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:08 pm
....and what's this got to do with Ben Breakwell...?
Was Breakwell's offending his nature exclusively, or was it nurtured by contacts and experiences as a pupil, or what is simply due to the age of consent?

What was Breakwell like?
Did anyone know him? (I know you do not want to say, Pe.A).
What did Breakwell experience at CH? - staff grooming examples, staff being moved on with a reference, authority turning a blind eye, etc.
The nature of these questions really does imply that you have a piss poor understanding of what you are talking about. It's like you're looking for links to join very disparate dots. It would almost be laughable if the subject matter wasn't so depressing.

Some people fancy teenage girls. First of all, just get over that fact and accept it. It's not exactly something new. People and society in general, for example, have been fetishising teenage girls for a long time. For what reasons would you ask whether his interest in teenage girls was nurtured by his contacts and experiences at CH? Which contacts at CH? For what reasons would you think that his interest would have needed nurturing by his CH contacts?

No, i didn't know him. Different year group, different house, different extra-curricular activities etc. Again, what's the point of that question? How would that be relevant?

He might well have seen the disappearance of some staff members at CH when he was a pupil, just as well as knowing what the fallout has been since the Jimmy Savile thing blew up almost 10 years ago.
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