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Here I go. Typical Old Blue reaction to ignorance and injustice. These people go by an 'official' sounding name but it is a private company, engaged by my employers to 'police' the car parks. Their employee on this campus is known to be a right jumped up little 'hitler' - pompous idiot. He knows my car - I park it in the same place every day. I had a bad day on 8 November. Now read on :-

Payments Office
County Parking Enforcement Agency Ltd
PO Box 548
Northampton
NN7 3WR

8 August 2007

Dear Sirs

Penalty Notice CP00233936 : Offence committed 8 November 2006, appeal originally submitted 9 November 2006

I am so grateful to you for your letter of 7 August 2007, in response to mine of 3 June 2007 when I had occasion to write again following your letter of 31 May 2007, in which you turned down my original appeal.

I am writing to tell you that it gives me a surge of hope in human nature to realise that people such as yourselves do not actually BOTHER TO READ the communications sent to you by your victims. In this regard I particularly draw to your attention:-

a) That you turned down my appeal originally, because my car was not showing its disabled parking badge on the windscreen, although parked in a disabled bay. You clearly had paid very close attention to my appeal (sent 9 November 2006), where I was asking you to take account of the mitigating circumstances surrounding my arrival at work on the day I committed this terrible offence, and where also I reminded you that the badge had been in view but (admittedly) was not actually ON the windscreeen;
b) That you clearly gave close attention to what I said in my letter of 3 June 2007 where I asked you to reconsider your decision, on the basis of the three mitigating circumstances, which (to refresh your memory) I detailed again, for you;
c) That in your letter today, replying to my letter of 3 June, in which you kindly put me in my (lowly) place, you draw my attention to the fact that the appeal was turned down because I was parked in a disabled bay and the disabled badge was not on the windscreen – you also, very generously, draw my attention to the University’s parking regulations which state that cars parked in disabled bays must display disabled badges.

Well, blow me down! I had a really bad journey to work on 8 November 2006. I was in a terrible state when I got to work that morning. I was even more upset to find later that I had a parking ticket. I inadvertently allowed you to take the ‘reduced’ penalty of £40 from my debit card when I went online that night to try to appeal against the charge. Did you seriously think that (although I have only worked here for 27.5 years) I REALLY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY’S PARKING REGULATIONS – AND DID NOT KNOW THAT IF I WANTED TO PARK IN A DISABLED BAY I HAD TO PUT MY BADGE UP IN THE WINDSCREEN (and not leave it on the passenger seat)?. You clearly think that it has taken me nine months to learn these astounding facts – so I repeat my gratitude for the generosity in giving me this information in your letter of 7 August. And stuff the mitigating circumstances beyond my control which surrounded my arrival at work that dreadful day. They are long gone, they cost me £40 – and you have not referred to them once, anyway.

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Nicely put... we all await their response!

(Did you manage to put that smiley on the bottom as well? ;) )
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Good letter but as they have the money in their grubby mitts I suspect, sadly, that they won't give a monkeys.

Is there anyway that you can get back at the little Hitler who got you into the situation in the first place?
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You are probably right about them having the money anyway. It was a real 'con'. The notice, in its little plastic bag stuck on my windscreen, gave a web address for queries. So when I got home, I logged on - and followed instructions. Being such a dumbo, when it asked for a credit or debit card number as part of the 'getting into the website' process, I gave it. I got to the end of the process, it replied that it had taken the money - and then gave me no opportunity to say anything!
I will be bringing bananas to work in the future - and strategically placing the skins.....
And no Matt.. regrettably I could not put the smiley on the letter!!
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kerrensimmonds wrote:You are probably right about them having the money anyway. It was a real 'con'. The notice, in its little plastic bag stuck on my windscreen, gave a web address for queries. So when I got home, I logged on - and followed instructions. Being such a dumbo, when it asked for a credit or debit card number as part of the 'getting into the website' process, I gave it. I got to the end of the process, it replied that it had taken the money - and then gave me no opportunity to say anything!
I will be bringing bananas to work in the future - and strategically placing the skins.....
And no Matt.. regrettably I could not put the smiley on the letter!!
AIUI by giving a web site for INFORMATION or QUERIES they have absolutely no right to debit your card and it would appear that this is close to fraud. I suggest that you contact the card issuer with THESE circumstances and demand that they reclaim the amount debited "in error".

Then write to the university or whomever stating that in consequence you are taking out a civil action for fraudulent debit to your card and would they please give you the name and full address of the person responsible as well as refunding the amount debited together with one month's interest at the issuer's interest rate . Send this be recorded mail and give them 7 days to reply.

Of course they won't do it so you then go to your local court and ask about the "small claims court" where they help to fill in the forms for you, you attach a copy of all the correspondence and wait. You do not use a solicitor; you will be invited to a meeting in front of a qualified person who will listen to both sides and make a decision there and then from which there is no appeal. You MIGHT be asked to put down a fairly nominal sum which you get back when you win.
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Oh dear! I do hope you sort this out, Kerren. As David says it looks like that website practically snatched the money out of your hand. I'd complain vigorously and kick up a real fuss until they refund you. Don't stand for it. Keep us posted.
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That sounds like good advice, Kerren, please do it! I love it when the underdog wins. Seriously, it's obvious that you feel strongly about it, and it doesn't appear that you have anything to lose.

I'd offer my services for a "Kerren is innocent" poster campaign, but I don't think they'd serve any great purpose pinned to a palm tree in PrachuapKirikhan...
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The thing is, the University has its own internal appeals procedures, chaired by the Vice-Chancellor - but I was shocked to learn not so long ago that each time someone's appeal is upheld, the University has to 'buy off' the penalty by paying the company. The last time I was 'done' (about 18 months previously - I slammed my door in a hurry and behind my back the badge must have slid off the dashboard onto the floor) I did 'appeal' within the University. I was embarrassed when I later learned that my employers had had to pay for what was essentially my mistake. This time I was just so bl*ddy ANGRY. The notice was served within 10 minutes of my arrival on campus and the badge was very visible - it was face forward leaning against the back of the passenger seat. The bloke sees me come and go every day and I always park in the same bay. In my protest I described him as 'jobsworth' - but as people have spotted, once they got my money they had no further interest in the case. Given that we do have internal procedures for appeal, however, I am not sure that there is any point in going down the route David suggests - especially since I do not want to bring the University into disrepute...
Oh well.. writing the letter did get something off my chest!
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kerrensimmonds wrote:The thing is, the University has its own internal appeals procedures, chaired by the Vice-Chancellor - but I was shocked to learn not so long ago that each time someone's appeal is upheld, the University has to 'buy off' the penalty by paying the company. The last time I was 'done' (about 18 months previously - I slammed my door in a hurry and behind my back the badge must have slid off the dashboard onto the floor) I did 'appeal' within the University. I was embarrassed when I later learned that my employers had had to pay for what was essentially my mistake. This time I was just so bl*ddy ANGRY. The notice was served within 10 minutes of my arrival on campus and the badge was very visible - it was face forward leaning against the back of the passenger seat. The bloke sees me come and go every day and I always park in the same bay. In my protest I described him as 'jobsworth' - but as people have spotted, once they got my money they had no further interest in the case. Given that we do have internal procedures for appeal, however, I am not sure that there is any point in going down the route David suggests - especially since I do not want to bring the University into disrepute...
Oh well.. writing the letter did get something off my chest!
Kerren
Perhaps the answer is to use the internal University appeal procedures to make a complaint about the jobsworth.

The University presumably only use this company to deter unauthorised parking not to screw staff accidentally failing to comply with a technicality i.e sticking the permit on the windscreen.
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Keep after them Kerren.
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I have made my views known to Kerren by pm - no point in the other side knowing suggested strategy
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Personally, I would make my views very well known to the little sh1t of a 'jobs-worth' !

The majority of the words would contain 4 letters only. But, that's my way of dealing with prats like that !

There's always youngest daughters Rotty.

He made short work of getting rid of two calling Jehovah's witnesses this morning !
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J.R. wrote:Personally, I would make my views very well known to the little sh1t of a 'jobs-worth' !

The majority of the words would contain 4 letters only. But, that's my way of dealing with prats like that !

There's always youngest daughters Rotty.

He made short work of getting rid of two calling Jehovah's witnesses this morning !
Slight difference JR between you, 6'5" and the extra feet you forgot to mention and size 18 boots plus Mr Plod's training in looking menacing and little Kerren in her wheelchair and legs in irons.

Have to be careful looking down on Mr Jobsworth - he'll report Kerren for abuse, a violent attack and whatever - it is the same as being charged with assault when you protect yourself from a bloke intent on putting a knife through your ribs.
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