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Should this man have his hip operation?

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yes marty i meant midA15. sorry. attack of the stupids when i wrote that obviously! :oops:

Jude, NHS being run down since Blair has been in power?! I know he's not quite the socialist he made out he was, but surely he hasn't done as much to destroy it as Thatcher or Major!
As for your doctor being a lazy sod, it probably is just that. The vast majority of people with MDs seem to be, while the ones at the crappy end of the medical pay scale doing the much less glamourous jobs seem much more human. Such is life. :(
I also have a hunch that your GP is a bloke (my GP who acts just like yours is), women GPs seem a bit more willing to help.
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Hendrik wrote:yes marty i meant midA15. sorry. attack of the stupids when i wrote that obviously! :oops:

Jude, NHS being run down since Blair has been in power?! I know he's not quite the socialist he made out he was, but surely he hasn't done as much to destroy it as Thatcher or Major!
As for your doctor being a lazy sod, it probably is just that. The vast majority of people with MDs seem to be, while the ones at the crappy end of the medical pay scale doing the much less glamourous jobs seem much more human. Such is life. :(
I also have a hunch that your GP is a bloke (my GP who acts just like yours is), women GPs seem a bit more willing to help.
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my GP is a male - who strangely took time out to read all (and this means a great amount!) of my notes - that went back the full 22 years since I have been in Glos. His female partner just looked at what was on the computer screen - and wrote to the DLA that my asthma and Thyroid problems were under control...... and this has resulted in the DLA removing my benefits - which means I have a massive shortfall of nearly £400 per month until the appeal or new form is pulled back into being. Cerainly JR will understand the pressure I am under, the DLA forms are 42 pages of what I can only describe as the most intimate and embarrassing questions that in my case I have to asnwer yes to. It then requires you to tell the gov (DWP was SS etc...) how many times a day this mioght occur and then how many times a week. Once having been totally humiliated and feeling that suicide IS THE ONLY ANSWER as there is no quality in the life you lead, it takes up to 4 months for a reply.

Thankfully I have a social worker who is coming in to fill the form in for me later today, so don't expect anything from me for a couple of days as it will throw me into a deep pit of despair, which is where many people are today. I can no longer walk propperly due to an extra boney growth on my R heel - 10 years ago, I would have been whipped into our cottage hospital and under a light G.A. the surgeon would have removed the grown and put my heal back together again. Today, due to someone writing an article that maybe this isn't the best way to treat a heel spur, there is no treatment - and you are asked to suffer the pain until the body (may) eventually munch up the extra boney bit. However, as there is Arthritus as well - it is unlikely that the boey growth will go away so I will from now on hobble putting less weight on my right foor until of course it happens on the Left.

I am blessed with a GP who is Pro-active - he has his faults - but he is determined to make my life as comfortable and as good as it can be - there well may be lazy GP's - but from where I stand as an ex nurse, it is the MANAGEMENT OF HOSPITALS WHO HAVE NO MEDICAL TRAINING WHATEVER BUT HAVE EXORBITANT WAGES DUE TO HAVING A DEGREE IN BUSINESS MANAGEMENT WHO ARE CAUSING ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE NHS. OK I was paid a pittance as a nurse, our hospital was run by ex doctors and Matrons and proffs of medicine who KNEW what was important and where the money should go. Since bringing in non medically trained people hospitals have gone downhill - partly as nurses now have "degrees" - I'm sorry if there are any nurses out there who have gone the "degree" path, but a ward was run by student nurses at the bottom and Matrons at the top, there was no MRSA, as we did the cleaning and if Matron wasn't impressed we did it again. Yes cheap labour - BUT it also meant that as a nurse you sure knew how to run a ward efficiantly and with respect to the patients. Recently I went into hospital where the charge nurse didn't speak English properly, and I had to help her with the wretched Drug trolley.. These are imported nurses who have no idea how to run a ward. I hope Mary will back me up on this - life was tough, but you never saw a messy bed, a dirty floor or an unhappy patient.

If this guy needs his op - he will get it - if he is wealthy he can get it done anywhere - if this thread is to actually discuss abortions and foetus removals then perhaps there should be some moderation as there are many very deep felt thoughts on that.

All I can say is that I do not approve of it as a method of contraception, however in cases of rape, the pill/morning after pill not working (which causes sever abnormalities) and other medical reasons where removal of the foetus from the females body, I can only agree. As for it being a man's decision - I am on the floor screaming with laughter - if only one of you men actually understood what it is that we females go through to have your child... you wouldn't say a peep as to whose word is final.

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Writing as one who had to browbeat her GP into getting me an X-ray (he then had a fit when the result came back), He didthen try to get things moving more quickly, but I had to wait 5 or 6 weeks to see the consultant, who said immediately that i needed a new hip. The waiting time was about 9 months then. I told him I would be in a wheelchair by then, if I hadn't lost my few remaining marbles by then. Eventually I got an op. after only 4 months, by which time I was using crutches. However the hip celebrated its 9th birthday a week ago, and is still brilliant, so I can feel sorry for the man who due to his own stupidity can't get his done.
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Jude, I am 10 years older than you, and totally agree with your comments...My mother (85) and I were discussing the NHS recently and both agreed that what was once the pride of the UK and the envy of Europe has become almost a " danger zone" - not through lack of dedication of the nursing staff but through thorough disassembly by technocratic management.

These days, the best place to be ill is in France, where hospitals and other medical services are run by people who know what they are doing.

Perhaps the man-with-the-hip should follow suit to the lady in the news at the moment, and have his operation in France - although the French are even less likely to put up with attempts at political intimidation, since they practically invented it!

I sympathise with the forms situation - I have FMS and ME/CFS, but have given up going to the doctors about it because of the 50.000 tests, forms, details and other psychiatric jumping-through-hoops they keep wanting me to do...

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Euterpe13 wrote:Perhaps the man-with-the-hip should follow suit to the lady in the news at the moment, and have his operation in France - although the French are even less likely to put up with attempts at political intimidation, since they practically invented it!
The disadvantage of this being you have to go to France...
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Jude wrote:Graham - shut up
I feel you are way over the line in your talk about this going to youngsters and families. I think we should all back off, and think about it for real. If this was your fahter, brother - sister ,mother whatever, you would DO ANYTHING TO GET THAT APPOINTMENT MADE AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
Jude - I don't exactly understand your point of view here. If I am way over the line talking about this, then surely the guy who actually did it hit the line running and didn't look back. My understanding of the point of this thread was to debate whether this man, considering that he sent pictures of aborted foetuses to hospital workers, should have been given his hip operation at the hospital from which he had been banned due to aforesaid previous actions. My views on abortion or standards of decency are largely irrelevant here. I simply stated that this man's actions (and I don't presume to judge the correctness of his personal morals on abortion here) resulted in offence and distress. JR's point was that he was providing an 'educational service' to hospital workers and I, in turn, pointed out that his teaching method was quite unselective in targetting its potential audience and could have resulted in the exposure of innappropriate material to minors. If I'm innappropriate talking about it, then he was extremely innappropriate doing it and the hospital were quite within their rights to decline treatment on grounds of personal distress.

I wouldn't want to walk a mile in this man's shoes. I sympathise that some topics of debate result in strong emotions, but there are ways to make your opinion heard that don't hurt other people and this was clearly not one of them. If one of my friends or family were to do the same thing that this man did, I would fully support their being banned from recieveing treatment at the institution concerned.

And finally - the NHS were noot banning the man completely - he is quite free to attend an alternative NHS run hospital. Your concerns about the declining quality of the NHS are well founded but, I believe, largely irrelevant in the discussion of this man's behavior and his punishment for it.
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I'm with Graham on this one. He has put some very good measured points across and I think it was a bit rude of Jude to tell him to shut up!
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Thank you, Marty :D
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marty wrote:I'm with Graham on this one. He has put some very good measured points across and I think it was a bit rude of Jude to tell him to shut up!
I was in a grot mood, and the way I was feeling ( and still am) requires a bunch of medics. But I haven't resorted to porn.
The reason I said Shut up Graham was that you were double posting - writing, and then writing again before anyone could read or comment, after reading post 1, I wanted someone elses post not more of your's - hence the Shut up Graham - it wasn't meant as a "SHUT UP" - more of "give us a break so we can read then re-capitulate (long word for me).

It wasn't meant to cause offence. I apologise if I have offended you.

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Hendrik wrote:yes marty i meant midA15. sorry. attack of the stupids when i wrote that obviously! :oops:


Thankfully I have a social worker who is coming in to fill the form in for me later today,period.

Have to change my mind on the Social worker - again due to being forced to change my doctors (thanks Blair) as the whole of the Strud district has been broken into tiny fragments so they all need more money (another excuse for Blair to get rid of the NHS) I have had to have a new social worker - who I met for the first time yesterday - and did nothing but "shhhuuuuuuuuuure", "shhhuuuuuuuuuuure" "okydoky" me for 2½hours... form still unfilled, me getting more suicidal, the form isn't available on-line, and without the income I will be out on the streets in 28 days, I now really couldn't care a toffee about the man who needs his hip done, or what he did to try and speed up the process, I feel as though I have flu again, which means the M.E. relapse has not started to get better after all, so to be honest - sod the man with the hip problem - let him go to France or elsewhere, Just someone fill out the bl**dy form of 43 pages of pure human torture - you want to know what is worse than an embryo/foetus being put in your post? Try filling out a DLA form, indicating your worst time, to enable you to recieve the pittance they allow us, but is needed for basics like utilities.

I am certain there others in here know exactly just how demeaniong and soul destroying that form is.
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Well said Jude !

I sincerely hope none of you younger 'posters' EVER have to fill out an application form for DLA, (Disability Living Allowance).

Its over 40 pages of management bollox speak, and as Jude says, some of the questions could be termed as invading ones privacy.

On the other hand, some of the questions are down-right comical.

"Can you put your hat on ?"

NO ! - I dont wear an 'effing hat !

It gets harder and harder for deserving people to claim what they are entitled to in this country.

Oh well ! - I suppose we have to save loads of dosh to feed the migrants and vagabonds pouring into this country. I was going to quote a figure, but it's obvious after yesterday that even Tony Bliar doesn't know how many there are in this country these days !
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Thank you for the pm's.

I am going to start a new thread "Health Matters" - as many of us have been touched at some time of our lives with a health issue - it being ourselves or someone close to us. Within it I am adding a Q&A where those of us with the knowledge or time to reseach may be able to give more information than the GP has time to. Also medication - I have a BNF (and boy do I know how to use it!!) It tells all about every drug being used in theis country, all iot's names, doese and more importantly side effects and what it clashes with. Again anyone feeling they can contribute is welcome.

At teh end Health does MATTER - without it you become a shell of what you once were - I look back 5 years where I was in a high powered job as an IT Manager, with a budget of £3m to play with, 22 staff under me, 3rd and 4th line supports and people we used for parts etc 9new laptops) meetings with mobile phone companies, Compaq, HP (they were separate then!) Cable and Wireless - and the fact I was getting up at 5am to get the 6, or 6.30am train to paddington, then going to Southwark by tube doing a days work, and getting home if lucky at 8pm - the very thought of me has me now quaking in my slippers! But the suddeness of my health changing was less than 2 months - it is a shock to the system.

So I am off to start the new thread - hopefully without speelling mistakes in the title!

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What's a BNF?
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Britsh National Formulary - it has a list of every drug used by doctor dentists with all indications , names, costs etc....
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I use the french Vidal and the American Medical Dictionary...
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