Website design...

Post by **jtaylor** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:33 pm

Anyone who's ever designed a website will understand this:-

Euterpe13 · Post by **Euterpe13** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:28 am

you forgot " trying to figure out what the customer really wants..."

Richard Ruck · Post by **Richard Ruck** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:11 am

You also seem to have found a way to circumvent the naughty word censor!

Great Plum · Post by **Great Plum** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:01 am

Is IE really that bad for web design?

Post by **jtaylor** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:53 pm

I never thought it was an issue, until I found that Firefox, Safari etc. all seem far more standards-compliant than IE.
You'll find settings which just don't seem to work in IE, so you find a way around them, but then find that they worked fine in Firefox, Safari etc. but that your work-arounds screwed them up!
Ridiculous really!

The main problem though is that 95% of web-traffic is IE (at least on the sites I've designed) so you HAVE to design for IE.

Lou Barr is the expert on this - Frogbox on the forum..

J

Great Plum · Post by **Great Plum** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:22 am

If 95% of people have IE, why not just make your websites work for that and to hell with the other browsers?

jhopgood · Post by **jhopgood** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:09 pm

Don't know anything about the problems of web design, but Bill Gates has a lot to answer for.
I have a HP Photosmart printer which comes with a programme called HP Director. Suddenly, for reasons best known to itself, the HP Director stopped working. The printer worked but I had to use another programme to crop scans etc.
Last week HP informed that there was a patch I had to install since IE7 has messed with HP Director which accounted for the problem.
Somehow, this did not surprise me, except that it had not occurred to me that yet again Gates was screwing with my pc.
I use Firefox, Thunderbird, Google, AIM, Skype, etc in fact anything but Microsoft when I can, but there are some programmes, McAfee virus scan, which will only update if IE is working, so I have to have it. I could change McAfee but I have had it for years and so get discounts etc.
Incredible how long it takes to wrestle your pc back from Microsoft domination.
I'm sure Google are also going to dominate in the same way, but somehow, they seem less pushy about it. They smile when they screw you.

Post by **jtaylor** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:42 pm

Richard Ruck wrote:You also seem to have found a way to circumvent the naughty word censor!

Now edited - hadn't occurred to me!

J

sejintenej · Post by **sejintenej** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:14 pm

Great Plum wrote:If 95% of people have IE, why not just make your websites work for that and to hell with the other browsers?

I think you will find that your figure is on the high side - there is a suggestion that Firefox may have 10% of teh market with various Linuxes a few extra percentage points. I for one use Firefox in the hope that virus freaks will try to overcome IE's barriers and that Firefox is too insignificant for them to bother with. Equally I don't use Outlook Express for the same reason; web sites are better.

John Hopgood wrote:Ibut there are some programmes, McAfee virus scan, which will only update if IE is working, so I have to have it. I could change McAfee but I have had it for years and so get discounts etc.

Why pay? For Firefox Avast antivirus is free for private use and is pretty good (IMHO better than McAfee which I have used). Automatic updates seemingly every 12 hours. You get 30 days free test use and then you have to register as a non-commercial user and they email the password back free of charge. Needs re-registering every 12 months (free). So far I'm up to a huge number of hacking attempts.
http://www.avast.com/

I also use Ad-Aware S E Personal and SpyBot both of which are also free.

hth

Mrs C. · Post by **Mrs C.** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:27 pm

I use free AVG anti-virus and antispy ware, free Zone Alarm and free Ad-aware and Spybot - all seem to do the job quite well!!

(says she, touching the nearest bit of wood!!!)

sejintenej · Post by **sejintenej** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:27 pm

Mrs C. wrote:I use free AVG anti-virus and antispy ware, free Zone Alarm and free Ad-aware and Spybot - all seem to do the job quite well!!

(says she, touching the nearest bit of wood!!!)

Snap - Zone Alarm is (I think) part of AVG - have it, but you have pointed out what I failed to - that they all work equally well on IE.